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[Football] Football grounds and sustainability



Saunders

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2017
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Brighton
That is plain silly the old ground bears absolutely no resemblance to the old one, the old part of the old stadium is the crushed concrete under the resin floor on the concourse.
It is not the same venue.

Nobody is arguing that Dean Court is different and that was rotated and rebuilt. Same for Stamford Bridge.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
56,105
Faversham
That is plain silly the old ground bears absolutely no resemblance to the old one, the old part of the old stadium is the crushed concrete under the resin floor on the concourse.
It is not the same venue.

It's amazing the things we argue about on NSC.

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drew

Drew
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Oct 3, 2006
23,609
Burgess Hill
I remember going down to Shitehole Park to watch Leeds (yes, I know, Sprake, Reaney, Cooper, Charlton, Madeley, Giles, Bremner, Gray, Clarke, Jones, Lorrimer, and Bates on the bench, from memory, not that I was at all bothered at the time) in 1976/7 with some lads from uni. Four pints at lunchtime (including the driver), lots of shouting, can't remember the rest. Great days? Not now I'm 60. I want a comfy seat and I don't want a driving ban. I don't want to be wedged up against some stinky lout, smoking, and weeing into my coat pocket. These days I shower every day and don't consider myself part of the underclass.

Yes, yes, I know, #clueless

I await a mocking reply, which I won't read, from someone on my banned list.

:facepalm:

The Amex is wonderful. The Emirates is good but the legroom is not as good as ours. Anfield is a cramped citadel (I was in hospitality last season) and needs to be replaced (too small for the Champions of Europe). Any club in the PL is 'sustainable' if the owners play their cards right. Two clubs, Huddersfield and Palace got into the PL against all expectations, and have survived so far for different reasons. If Huddersfield go down they will have gained from all the PL income and will reconfigure accordingly, as did Burnley. Palace, however, can't afford to be relegated.

That said, clubs have always gone bust, and it doesn't happen that often. Accrington, Aldershot, Newport, Hereford, Maidstone, Scarborough, all suffered as a result. Luton and Newport have bounced back. Notts County twice. CPFC have it coming to them. I feel a bit for their decent fans, but overall, it would be better for everyone if they spent some time in the wilderness, with their 4,000 loyal fans, reflecting over their previous dodgy owners and financial chicanary. Yes, after a glass of wine I'm beginning to hate the scum again. :lolol:

I'm not sure most of those were still playing in 76/77. Harvey in goal, McQueen at the back, Jordan up front. Frank Gray at full back and probably a few others!!!
 




drew

Drew
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Oct 3, 2006
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Burgess Hill
Watching the Everton v Spurs game and hearing that Everton hope to move within 4 years, sad but understandable.

12 clubs still play on the same piece of ground they always owned. I'm a bit a a footy ground anorak, here is my take, views on what others think will fill me with interest.

Liverpool (same ground) - Keep building on it but still very prehistoric, especially for away fans.
Man City (new ground) - sustainable
Tottenham (same ground) - when they move in, sustainable
Chelsea (same ground) - need a new stadium, whether at Fulham Road or elsewhere
Arsenal (new ground) - sustainable
Man Utd (same ground) - old stadium, packed as tight as a sardine in a tin can, need a re-think
Watford (same ground) - for the size of the club, sustainable
Bournemouth (same ground) - looking at new venues, currently unsustainable, especially if they lose Howe to Man U or Spurs
Leicester (new ground) - new bowl, sustainable
Wolves (same ground) - had grandiose plans a few years back, did one stand and stopped, sustainable but finish the plan.
Everton (same ground) - moving within 4 years, unsustainable
West Ham (new ground) - fleecing the tax payer, sustainable
Brighton (new ground) - sustainable
Crystal Palace (same ground) - worst ground in the Prem, really need to look at their infrastructure
Newcastle (same ground) - sustainable
Southampton (new ground) - new bowl, sustainable
Cardiff (new ground) - new bowl, sustainable
Burnley (same ground) - for the size of the town, more than sustainable
Huddersfield (new ground) - sustainable
Fulham (same ground) - the only original ground in the Prem I like, and sustainable in London with their fanbase

Exactly how much of an anorak are you? Wolves have four new stands, not one!
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
56,105
Faversham
I'm not sure most of those were still playing in 76/77. Harvey in goal, McQueen at the back, Jordan up front. Frank Gray at full back and probably a few others!!!

Apologies, I was mixing up my 1970 fantasy Leeds team with my later experience of Shitehole park. Or failing to distinguish between the two parts of my musing: my reverie and my narrative. Is that now clear??? :rolleyes::xmas:
 


Gregory2Smith1

J'les aurai!
Sep 21, 2011
5,476
Auch
I'm not sure most of those were still playing in 76/77. Harvey in goal, McQueen at the back, Jordan up front. Frank Gray at full back and probably a few others!!!

and palace were in div3 with us,cup game?
 








BN9 BHA

DOCKERS
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Jul 14, 2013
22,668
Newhaven
Its been massively rebuilt and the track removed.

Yes correct, but I wouldn't compare it to the new Spurs stadium.
Spurs have totally re built from scratch, and the new stadium isn't on the exact site of WHL.
Stamford Bridge has been rebuilt on the exact site over a number of years, the East stand opened as far back as 1973.
 












Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,250
Cumbria
As an earlier poster mentioned, it all depends what 'sustainable' means. If it means being financially viable come what may, then I'm not so sure about the Amex. At the moment with full houses every match - fine. But what's the break-even figure? If we got relegated a couple of times, and crowds dropped to 10-15,000, would the finances add up, or would the sheer cost of staffing, travel subsidy and so on mean we'd lose money every match? That's where somewhere like Turf Moor wins out I suppose - much of the crowd can walk there, so the attendances are less likely to drop steeply in the bad times, the facilities are poor in the first place, so won't take much to maintain, and so on.

Interesting question - good thread.
 








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