[Football] Football disorder reaches eight-year high...

[Taybha]

When you can get lobbed out for sticking 2 fingers up at 3 thousand people so nobody in particular then a ban will follow that heinous crime,some of the stuff you can become a football hooligan stat is bloody ridiculous so the numbers are bound to be higher,and for zillionth time there's a distinct difference between a flare and a smoke bomb,neither of which I reckon are as dangerous as those bloody daft fire bombs that clubs seem to like exploding before kick off,you can't make that shit up banning fans for waving a harmless smoke bomb saying it could be harmful to people with breathing problems then set off explosions engulfing the whole stadium in smoke!.

Anyway stop being naughty and just sit there and clap you rascals.

 

[Springal]

It follows recent comments by England internationals Jordan Henderson and Eric Dier, who both say there is an issue with fan behaviour at football.

Tottenham's Dier says he feels "too uncomfortable" for his family to attend away matches, while Liverpool captain Henderson says his family's experiences could "put them off going to future games".

Dier thing was about abuse. I find it hard to believe fans are identifying his mum and targeting her with abuse. I suspect really Dier is getting the usual grief you might expect and his family can’t bite their lips. Different from most football offences

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm surprised the rise in pyrotechnics is only 118%.

Just at the Amex this season already we've had loads of enormous f***ers all over the pitch, far more than we've ever had before

 

[Bodian]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/686981/football-aggregate-attendance-by-league-united-kingdom/

 

[A1X]

Cut their goolies off

 

[Mackenzie]

Behaviour from the PM (and certain members of our royal family) down to the average Lance in the street has deteriorated markedly recently, “be kind” has been lost in the ether.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What the bare figures need is some context. What constitutes a 'football related incident'? Has the bar for arrests been lowered? Etc etc

From my admittedly limited perspective, I've been going to games for over 50 years and don't think I've ever seen less 'disorder' at matches certainly violence has been all but eradicated.

Did seem to be a real increase in pitch invasions mind.

From my experience there seems to have been a huge increase in twattish anti-social behaviour which makes games uncomfortable for many but most likely does not even register on the arrests numbers. This is my issue.

 

[Easy 10]

From my experience there seems to have been a huge increase in twattish anti-social behaviour which makes games uncomfortable for many but most likely does not even register on the arrests numbers. This is my issue.

This.

I've attributed it to an increasing number of goons being spacked out on charlie.

 

[wellquickwoody]

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Hammers are the toughest.

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Were any punches thrown?

 

[clapham_gull]

Cut their goolies off

Right off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04clpd7h0b0

 

[macbeth]

Like in the 80s, unrest in football is linked to problems in society such as inequality, disenfranchisement, disillusionment. Both will get much worse before they get better.

it actually isn't. did my dissertation on this many years ago, and there's actually very little to suggest a link between factors such as unemployment and other forms of societal decline and football hooliganism.

of course, really it's a combination of many many factors, but there's been no substantial link established. generally hooliganism seems to come from a tribal desire to belong and to these people, representing one's football team and causing disorder is a group activity which generates that sense of belonging. and being off their faces on booze and marching powder probably doesn't help either

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

it actually isn't. did my dissertation on this many years ago, and there's actually very little to suggest a link between factors such as unemployment and other forms of societal decline and football hooliganism.

of course, really it's a combination of many many factors, but there's been no substantial link established. generally hooliganism seems to come from a tribal desire to belong and to these people, representing one's football team and causing disorder is a group activity which generates that sense of belonging. of course, being off their faces on booze and marching powder probably doesn't help either

True is the 80's, is that true now? A lot of the time now it's individuals doing things, I don't know why, maybe for social media notoriety or yeh coke prevalence is likely to be a contributor. But mass faces off's between sets of fans isn't the way it goes now.

Interesting what you say about no relationship between economic and social problems and instances of football violence. A pretty counter intuitive conclusion to draw, not saying you're wrong, you've clearly looked at it more than I have. But football violence is just a type of crime isn't it. Violent crime goes up in bad economic times and is nearly always higher in countries or regions with social or economic problems, so I don't see how football violence could be divorced from this.

 

[Questions]

Cut their goolies off

Yep straight off with them

 

[macbeth]

True is the 80's, is that true now? A lot of the time now it's individuals doing things, I don't know why, maybe for social media notoriety or yeh coke prevalence is likely to be a contributor. But mass faces off's between sets of fans isn't the way it goes now.

Interesting what you say about no relationship between economic and social problems and instances of football violence. A pretty counter intuitive conclusion to draw, not saying you're wrong, you've clearly looked at it more than I have. But football violence is just a type of crime isn't it. Violent crime goes up in bad economic times and is nearly always higher in countries or regions with social or economic problems, so I don't see how football violence could be divorced from this.

to be honest I don't know 100% as I haven't been around fan disorder recently. a little while back now, but think about those chelsea fans kicking that black man off the Paris metro. classic example of disorderly behaviour, and also a good example of how three or four neanderthals can create a chaotic frenzy. but regardless of whether that's happening right now or not, it will eventually, because if you have a bunch of people all doing the same thing then eventually they'll group together to do it, especially if there's the same moral panic from the media that there was in the 80's

and yeah, believe me, I was pretty surprised when I saw there was no link, and I had to pretty heavily alter my hypothesis. that's not to say a link isn't there, but just at present there is no quantifiable way to prove it, which is obviously something you need if you intend to make an academic assertion. and yes whilst it is a crime, same as any other, it is a bit reductive to look at it like this, imo. what is important to note is that the environment in which this violence happens is unlike any other. this type of crime is much more of a social interaction than many other types of crime, particularly when you take I to account the tribalness that will be there regardless if it's a lone perpetrator or not. the behaviour is largely caused by aggressive masculinity, exacerbated by drink or drugs, which is why it's similar to a lot of behaviour you see on nights out. but you absolutely cannot ignore the tribal element, and how regularly getting involved in disorder in the name of your football team would imprint on the identity of someone participating in this

 

[Weststander]

Were any punches thrown?

Ask the Albion supporter whacked on the back of his head.

 

[matski_98]

This.

I've attributed it to an increasing number of goons being spacked out on charlie.

Based on what evidence?

 

[clapham_gull]

Based on what evidence?

It's quite obvious there are more taking cocaine to drink more and start earlier. It's become completely normalised.

Always obvious to me when people have taken cocaine. Quite easy to spot, it turns you into Grade A dick in a way alcohol on its own doesn't.

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Based on what evidence?

I personally think this is a big part of the problem. At times it's incredibly obvious people are taking it at games, especially away games.

 

[Springal]

Given arrests are up 59% surely you’d see an increase of drugs found on those 59%?

Has that been mentioned ? FWIW I do think it is more common but not as much as people are saying.

 

[Notters]

It's either a blip on a low baseline, or yet more evidence of the uselessness of the tory government.

And just because it has nothing to do with the tory government, I think that you, me laddio, need to prove to me that they aren't useless

(Thanks to [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] for the framework for the narrative)

It's, at least partly, due to the current divisive, disparate society, of that I have no doubt.

Behaviour from the PM (and certain members of our royal family) down to the average Lance in the street has deteriorated markedly recently, “be kind” has been lost in the ether.

People in positions of authority making overt racial slurs and lying to the Queen is unlikely to have a good outcome, is it?