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darkwolf666

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Apologies, I believe WHY there are more gun crimes in the US is due to the combination of their availability for people that otherwise may utilize a knife of some other (less deadly) weapon. But my point is that guns are not evenly distributed across the country- nor are the people most likely to use them. When you combine the two elements, high crime. But the prevalence varies tremendously.
I'm trying really hard to read your posts, without thinking they are just a tad racist - my earlier question was about WHY. Clearly crime happens in the most deprived areas, often populated by blacks and hispanics. WHY are the blacks and hispanics in the most deprived areas, which ofen have the highest levels of crime? Do they only commit crime because they are black or hispanic, or because for a multitude of reasons they live deprived lives?
 




Eeyore

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Apologies, I believe WHY there are more gun crimes in the US is due to the combination of their availability for people that otherwise may utilize a knife of some other (less deadly) weapon. But my point is that guns are not evenly distributed across the country- nor are the people most likely to use them. When you combine the two elements, high crime. But the prevalence varies tremendously.
You sound a bit like one our old school judges who told young girls who went out in short skirts that they invited rape!

Lots of figures but no reasoning behind WHY?
@darkwolf666

I don't think that's kind. I think the points being raised here are saliant, and we should remember that we are not living in America.

From the outside, and trying to read rational and unbiased news sources, there are things about the States that are utterly bewildering. Not least it's politcisised judiciary system. That's the one that most amazes me. That said, I wonder that Trumpitis is infecting our opposition parties here. A judge who made a ruling about a Gazan family recently was called out as being 'wrong' by the leader of the opposition. Even the media trying to have a go. This is very worrying. The judge was not wrong, merely applying the law. I think we, including me, need to less concern ourselves with what is happening across the pond and look a bit closer to home. Perhaps the America First agenda is something we should take note of. Although, for well documented reasons 'Britain First' is not a phrase thee or I would be comfortable with, although some on the 'right' here appear to have gone all in. There seems to be a horrid toxic venom running through our political system at present and it is gaining traction. And since Trump started his madness a lot of folk seem bolder.

 
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WATFORD zero

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Two Israelis shot is blue on blue is it? Tomer is Israeli, you’d say the same about him would you, you piece of crap. Pathetic.

A jewish man in Miami shot two Israeli tourists, thinking they were Palestinian.

While in custody, Brafman spontaneously told detectives that while he was driving his truck, “he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both”, arrest documents said.

On of the shot Israelis then posted 'Death to all Arabs'

Further complicating the incident, one of the injured men reportedly posted “death to the Arabs” in a message on social media after the shooting. “My father and I went through a murder attempt against anti-Semitic background,”

I'm not sure where Tomer or any other ex-Albion player appeared anywhere in this case or thread ? You seem somewhat confused :shrug:
 


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@darkwolf666

I don't think that's kind. I think the points being raised here are saliant, and we should remember that we are not living in America.

From the outside, and trying to read rational and unbiased news sources, there are things about the States that are utterly bewildering. Not least it's politcisised judiciary system. That's the one that most amazes me. That said, I wonder that Trumpitis is infecting our opposition parties here. A judge who made a ruling about a Gazan family recently was called out as being 'wrong' by the leader of the opposition. Even the media trying to have a go. This is very worrying. The judge was not wrong, merely applying the law. I think we, including me, need to less concern ourselves with what is happening across the pond and look a bit closer to home. Perhaps the America First agenda is something we should take note of. Although, for well documented reasons 'Britain First' is not a phrase thee or I would be comfortable with, although some on the 'right' here appear to have gone all in. There seems to be a horrid toxic venom running through our political system at present and it is gaining traction. And since Trump started his madness a lot of folk seem bolder.


Very worrying and agree completely, but not sure what it's doing on another American shooting thread in reply to @darkwolf666's post ?
 


Eeyore

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As an American who also avoids my fellow countrymen while traveling abroad, I don’t think this is limited to Brits! Question: do you also avoid travelers from the UK that differ in their political beliefs? (~50% of Americans support Trump and ~50% are opposed- so it’s hard to lump them all together politically)
My experience of Americans traveling in the UK has always been a positive one. The more one travels the more reasoned and less ignorant they tend to be. The problem is that in the modern age everyone is seemingly politicised in some way. It's why I gave up all political affiliation.

Whilst I think that amazement at the Trump regime (I'd call it that) is completely understandable, I'm sorry about the general American bating you have to endure on here. We call it 'playing the man not the ball'. I'm pretty sure that not a single American I have met in my life, apart from one, would I describe as being Trumpist. And I've met a few.
 




Birdie Boy

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I was planning hols in a nice resort in the Caribbean (again) this year but I’ve decided that there’ll probably be too many potentially dangerous political conversations in the bars and pools, so I’ll more likely be heading east instead.
I did a caribbean cruise straight after covid. I went tu a restaurant with my with and was asked did I want to join a big table with 3 other couples, great said I! Conversation stopped later on when politics came up and I mentored what's your fixation with having purple run the country that have never been in politics, Reagan, Trump, Bushes etc. Having money didn't mean you can run a country especially as big a USA. And which of those 4 actually ran out? Probably none. Same as Trump 2.0 and Musk.
 


jackanada

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So because they’re Israeli tourists they’re “genocide supporting..” are they? Yeah, you’re right, satire is f*cking dead. Idiot.
No because they had been posting "death to all Arabs" and similar hate over their social media. Seemed a very reasonable supposition.
Though even without that polling of Israelis suggests that a majority are not bothered by being on the giving end of genocide and ethic cleansing.
 


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Two Israelis shot is blue on blue is it? Tomer is Israeli, you’d say the same about him would you, you piece of crap. Pathetic.
I suggest you read the article properly. A racist Jew shot two other Jews, one of whom suggested all Arabs should be killed.

And in case you're a little slow at reading here's the key sentence :

"It is deeply ironic and telling that both the alleged pro-Israel perpetrator and the pro-Israel victims"

Thank you for your contribution.
 




Westdene Seagull

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Another American Paradox is the fact that while 35% of Americans own a gun… they are not all for protection nor sport- it’s not evenly distributed between handguns and hunting rifles… and with wide variation between rural and urban households. Of those that own a gun, 18% have it with them (what we call “carry”) but not constantly. So, 18% of 35% is 6.3% (if they carry their weapon all the time). My guess would be that it’s probably less than half the time- so approximately 3%. Then, I would say it’s triple that rate (~10%) in places like Texas, Alaska, Oklahoma, etc. and a fraction of that rate in other states.

Of course, the numbers that cannot be honestly discussed- especially with liberals in the US- are the staggering crimes in the Democratic-run cities where we have passed every possible law restricting guns- yet African Americans rob, rape, and murder each other at 200% to 500% the rates of whites and Asians. (I am a moderate - which may come from a Latin word meaning “hated by both sides” 😉) and I wish our politics allowed for data-driven discussions and policies- but it clearly does not)

If you are concerned about guns, it depends on where you visit in the US. There are far more guns per capita in Oklahoma than inner city Washington DC- but I can tell you which is MUCH safer- especially if your skin is black.
Yet the common sense solution would be to ban all guns and everyone would be safer regardless of state, colour, creed or religion.
 


keaton

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So because they’re Israeli tourists they’re “genocide supporting..” are they? Yeah, you’re right, satire is f*cking dead. Idiot.
Further complicating the incident, one of the injured men reportedly posted “death to the Arabs” in a message on social media after the shooting. “My father and I went through a murder attempt against anti-Semitic background,” he wrote.
 






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My experience of Americans traveling in the UK has always been a positive one. The more one travels the more reasoned and less ignorant they tend to be. The problem is that in the modern age everyone is seemingly politicised in some way. It's why I gave up all political affiliation.

Whilst I think that amazement at the Trump regime (I'd call it that) is completely understandable, I'm sorry about the general American bating you have to endure on here. We call it 'playing the man not the ball'. I'm pretty sure that not a single American I have met in my life, apart from one, would I describe as being Trumpist. And I've met a few.
@Eeyore thank you. I don’t mind the legitimate questions about Americans and our many faults. Just trying to provide a bit of context and clarity to the often overly-broad generalizations. I’m sure the same applies to the Americans’ views of Brits… although the educated here tend to admire your history, traditions, manners, culture, and politics more than the other way around… some of the stereotypes are still there- but the general sense is that Brits do the important things better than we do.
 




Eeyore

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@Eeyore thank you. I don’t mind the legitimate questions about Americans and our many faults. Just trying to provide a bit of context and clarity to the often overly-broad generalizations. I’m sure the same applies to the Americans’ views of Brits… although the educated here tend to admire your history, traditions, manners, culture, and politics more than the other way around… some of the stereotypes are still there- but the general sense is that Brits do the important things better than we do.
Politically and judicially, and possibly even in terms of social policy, I do think things are much better than USA. But I would never allow that to define my image of a nation. There is much, in terms of national administration that other nations clearly have in hand better than us though. Housing issues in the UK are acute, perhaps more than many other places, and housing for me is a cornerstone of basic human rights.

I suppose it's inevitable that in a nation with five times the population, with so many different climates and lifestyles there will be many cultural variations. Especially as the US, although a super power, is a relatively young country when we think historically. But we hear about it all the time, as if somehow it's an extension of our nation or, perhaps in global terms, we of yours. And folk react accordingly but with much more ignorance than they would otherwise.

Ultimately, I guess a person should be judged on character and that alone. And as there are 340 million of you over there I don't think it's a good idea to generalise.

But trousers are not 'pants', okay. That one is weird.
 






1066familyman

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I did a caribbean cruise straight after covid. I went tu a restaurant with my with and was asked did I want to join a big table with 3 other couples, great said I! Conversation stopped later on when politics came up and I mentored what's your fixation with having purple run the country that have never been in politics, Reagan, Trump, Bushes etc. Having money didn't mean you can run a country especially as big a USA. And which of those 4 actually ran out? Probably none. Same as Trump 2.0 and Musk.
Did any of them ask if English is your first language? Only, it is mine, and I have no idea what you're saying:ROFLMAO:

Were you drunk by any chance?
 


Eeyore

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1066familyman

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@Eeyore thank you. I don’t mind the legitimate questions about Americans and our many faults. Just trying to provide a bit of context and clarity to the often overly-broad generalizations. I’m sure the same applies to the Americans’ views of Brits… although the educated here tend to admire your history, traditions, manners, culture, and politics more than the other way around… some of the stereotypes are still there- but the general sense is that Brits do the important things better than we do.
Blimey!.... the educated ones tend to admire our history?

Have they not done much reading then?
 


Eeyore

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Blimey!.... the educated ones tend to admire our history?

Have they not done much reading then?
I think the reference is probably more that we are an ancient nation with much history attached than anything. The US is only about 300 years old (I think) in its present form. Obviously the land itself and indigenous inhabitation goes back much further. But I suspect history records little of it.
 


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