Yes, people who live in NATO nations usually seem to think that.Bollocks as usual. NATO is a defensive alliance.
People who gets their nations bombed by NATO nations often have a different opinion.
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People who gets their nations bombed by NATO nations often have a different opinion.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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re Serbia are you actually supporting the genocide they inflicted?
To be fair, Serbia was.
But at that time the world was crying out for a response to the shame of the UN peace keepers standing aside and allowing the massacre at Srebrenica.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Right ā¦Iām someone who served in the 80ās and still has dealings in the defence industry. The Uk and the vast majority of other countries in NATO training strategy is one predominantly of defence and not attack. If it was imperialist and invasive then theyāve got the strategy wrong.
interestingly Iāve worked with former East German pilots and they were surprised at how defensive NATO was. It should be noted that the Warsaw Pact nations had similar strategies.
If NATO was as you imply then the Nordic nations would already be in NATO ā¦.
There is as little evidence of a genocide in Kosovo as there's evidence that Ukraine is ruled by nazis.
Most likely, NATO killed more civilians in Kosovo than Milosevic did.
Wellesley
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- Jul 24, 2013
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I live in a country that was bombed by the IRA that the poor innocent Gadaffi supplied with Semtex and countless other weapons and backed them with millions in cash. He backed terrorism all over the West, concluding in his bombing of a nightclub in Munich full of U.S servicemen.
Oh, sorry, what was the question?
Yeah usually when NATO goes and bombs countries abroad, they leave the NATO flag at home. Still usually the same nations. But as mentioned, there has been exceptions when they indeed decided to bring the NATO flag along.
The Nordic nations are pretty much already members, just signatures lacking. NATO has been practicing bombing in Sweden for about a decade now, usually along with the Swedish army.
The only thing missing from us actually formally joining NATO now is that Erdogan demands Sweden to extradict Kurdish peace activists so that there's one less voice questioning Turkish oppression against Kurds.
AmexRuislip
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Just about sums someone from Sweden
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I'm not saying Gaddafi was innocent, just not more guilty than anyone else really. There's very few countries not funding terrorism. Yours and mine definitely is, but I don't think we should get bombed for that. Similarly I don't think Gaddafi and Libya should have been bombed and state couped either.
Keep taking the drugs
How much do I have to take to develop the delusion that Western military operations are always innocent peace-operations?
Some people are always going to struggle to move on from the Manichean mindsets instilled during childhood.
I'm not sure drugs would help you revert to that. A good dose of shrooms should aid their development though.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
NATO as an organisation is defensive by its strategy and training. End off. The 2nd Gulf war was very questionable and itās unlikely to be repeated but it still doesnāt get way from the fact that NATO is defensive.
Your issue is that you donāt like the West and look for any excuse to trash it which is your prerogative however in this case you are wrong.
Your view seems to be āPutin invading Ukraine is naughtyā, however states neighbouring Russia joining NATO because they donāt trust the psychopath is evil and is Western Imperialism
.Every country labels there military foce as "defense" and that doesn't make it true, as we can clearly see all over the world.NATO as an organisation is defensive by its strategy and training. End off. The 2nd Gulf war was very questionable and itās unlikely to be repeated but it still doesnāt get way from the fact that NATO is defensive.
Your issue is that you donāt like the West and look for any excuse to trash it which is your prerogative however in this case you are wrong.
Your view seems to be āPutin invading Ukraine is naughtyā, however states neighbouring Russia joining NATO because they donāt trust the psychopath is evil and is Western Imperialism
I think states are mainly joining NATO for economical reasons. That the family ruling Sweden came out very early after the invasion saying that joining the NATO would be great for business is probably not unique for Sweden.
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Finland and Sweden should have NATO street parties when they are warmly welcomed into the NATO family of defensive nations.
Swanny, will you be attending yours?
Swanny, will you be attending yours?
Oh yeah can't wait to be in an alliance with Erdogan, Orban and whatever lettuce you have in charge right now.
We really need to be keeping Turkey close as they can have a major influence in the Middle East and Russia
Wokeworrier
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When Potter (inevitably) gets sacked from Chelsea I hope he takes over at Dynamo Kyiv then Swansman can join their forum and lecture Ukrainians about how worthless NATO membership is ...
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As ever, Mr Swansman has made me think a bit harder about NATO, especially with respect to its intervention in Libya. Clearly that did not fall under the guise of mutual protection of member states. However the UN (as distinct from NATO) has a Responsibility to Protect where it sees populations needing protection from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleaning, and crimes against humanity. With respect to Libya, thatās what it saw (UN resolution 1973). NATO can then be the UNās proxy. I happen to believe that NATOās intervention in Libya was a fair example of that type of intervention, and contradicts Mr Swansmanās hyperbolic claims about NATO being āimperialistic and invasiveā. However, I do now realise, on my part, I shouldnāt use the āitās only a defensive organisationā trope without qualification.