[Albion] Ffs tier 4

[darkwolf666]

This is bound to change again and a full national lockdown will no doubt happen on Boxing Day.

Maybe the best option is to go for a full lockdown, like March, combined with a military co-ordinated vaccination programme, anything else is just tinkering around the edges and will keep us in a never ending cycle of lockdowns!

 

[Diablo]

They really don’t give a shit about the self employed, they are only interested in the taxed at source employed hence the furlough scheme. I took a BBL the emails I’m getting already reminding me my first Payment is only a few months away is a disgrace considering the situation.

So you took a loan on terms offered which were very generous...Now it`s time to start paying back you think it`s disgraceful of them to want it back !!!

 

[TomandJerry]

Israel has detected four cases of the new, highly infectious variant of the coronavirus that emerged in the UK, the Israeli health ministry said.


It's already everywhere.

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[Sussexscots]

Think about what that means though. Will we probably have masks, se testing and some international travel warnings/restrictions till 2022? Probably. Does it mean that we'll have this constant cycle of lockdowns, be unable to see family, go to stadiums, gigs etc until 2022? I very much doubt that. I think we'll find some happy medium a lot sooner than that.

I certainly hope for a more positive path. At present, however, my optimism is in short supply.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Don't be fooled, it's still a hard brexit.

Won't stop red, white and blue toys exiting the pram in a violent manner.

 

[sparkie]

They really don’t give a shit about the self employed, they are only interested in the taxed at source employed hence the furlough scheme. I took a BBL the emails I’m getting already reminding me my first Payment is only a few months away is a disgrace considering the situation.

That is a disgrace. Those loan repayments need to be frozen for now.

 

[sparkie]

Nah. Was always going to happen. Tier 4 for everyone from 1 Jan.


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Or Tier 5 with schools shut.

 

[beorhthelm]

He said that one dose is 91% vs 95% with two

Surely that’s a no brainer to do one if that’s the case?

there would be no point to two doses if that were the case. either Blair is talking nonsense, or is talking up some information from Pfizer and likely in government planning. i recall one dose efficacy was ~50%, just enough to be viable but probably not worth risking it.

 

[Gullzone]

They really don’t give a shit about the self employed, they are only interested in the taxed at source employed hence the furlough scheme. I took a BBL the emails I’m getting already reminding me my first Payment is only a few months away is a disgrace considering the situation.

You've got to be joking, I work with loads of self employed who had their snouts in the trough to the tune of 20 grand whilst still working - its free money time for most of them but it wont be them that have to pay for it it will be those PAYE easy targets its a disgrace.

 

[Guinness Boy]

there would be no point to two doses if that were the case. either Blair is talking nonsense, or is talking up some information from Pfizer and likely in government planning. i recall one dose efficacy was ~50%, just enough to be viable but probably not worth risking it.

Wait - there's a new strain that is 70% more infectious, but giving more people 50% immunity won't help enough to be worth risking it? I respectfully disagree.

 

[Uncle C]

Our world may never be the same again!

Do behave. The Spanish Flue in 1918 killed up to 100 million people and it rarely gets a mention now.

 

[Mr Bridger]

Israel has detected four cases of the new, highly infectious variant of the coronavirus that emerged in the UK, the Israeli health ministry said.


It's already everywhere.

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Meanwhile in Egypt....

 

[Bish Bosh]

Oh, I agree Tom. Not blaming anybody. Just a never ending trail of bad news.

Roll on easter

Oh I don't know, think I'll blame Thatcher. It's a habit got in to a long time ago and it's tough to break

 

[pb21]

That isn’t what they said on BBC earlier. It was 52% after first jab, 91% after second then 95% a week later. If it was 91% on the first they wouldn’t bother with a second.

All confirmed here.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4826

Sounds like the Professor is getting confused.

I understand the thinking is that the efficacy is 91% after the second dose has been given but before that second dose would have had any effect, i.e. it would have got to 91% regardless.

Seems like a good idea to me.

 

[drew]

Do behave. The Spanish Flue in 1918 killed up to 100 million people and it rarely gets a mention now.

Think it was more like 50m.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm

 

[A1X]

Maybe they are thinking of the thousands of businesses that will cease to exist if bungling Boris keeps shutting down the economy

It's easier to replace a business than it is to replace a life.

 

[Blue3]

Got to do what ever is required to slow the spread another virus mutation they are starting to spring up all over the globe if it continues it won't be long if things carry on as they are that a mutation that is not just more easily spread but will be far more deadly we have got to follow instructions and hope the vaccine is given quickly and in enough numbers to set up herd immunity

 

[Creaky]

Do behave. The Spanish Flue in 1918 killed up to 100 million people and it rarely gets a mention now.

The difference is that in 1918 there wasn’t the technology to identify the specific virus quickly, to develop vaccines nor to impose effective isolation procedures.

If no action had been taken against the Covid virus the death toll could well be similar.

We do have the means to identify, test, treat and take action against the virus as well as the prospect of an effective vaccine - no politician worth their salt is going to say let the virus run its course even if it means hospitals are over-run and millions die unnecessarily. All the time the virus and it’s variants are in the wild then I can’t see our country returning to “normal” - at the very least the population will have to be vaccinated on a regular basis.

 

[macbeth]

I certainly hope for a more positive path. At present, however, my optimism is in short supply.

I can totally understand that. It does all feel a bit endless at times, but we're getting there. For balance, he did maintain that restrictions could be lifted in Spring, saying "We will get there by the spring. People should just hold on.". I'm never one to stand up for the Tories, I hate them, but I think the whole 2022 thing has been taken out of context (once again) by the media. A journalist asked if it would take till 2022 to be back to normal, Hancock said he was confident it would be before the, hence the quote. It's absolutely dreadful reporting.

Without downplaying the severity of the virus at all, and the need for restrictions, there are many out there who would have you believe that we are truly in the end times now, this is not the case, and frankly my levels of contempt for the frenzied fearmongerers in the media has hit new height. We were told there was no way the PL would resume till September, it resumed in May, we were told there was no way we'd have a vaccine for a few years, we got one in 10 months, notice how quickly people were to speculate that treatments wouldn't work on this new variant of coronavirus, so much has been said which hasn't turned out to be the case. I still maintain that whilst this new variant isn't good, things are still a LOT better than they seem

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The difference is that in 1918 there wasn’t the technology to identify the specific virus quickly, to develop vaccines nor to impose effective isolation procedures.

If no action had been taken against the Covid virus the death toll could well be similar.

We do have the means to identify, test, treat and take action against the virus as well as the prospect of an effective vaccine - no politician worth their salt is going to say let the virus run its course even if it means hospitals are over-run and millions die unnecessarily. All the time the virus and it’s variants are in the wild then I can’t see our country returning to “normal” - at the very least the population will have to be vaccinated on a regular basis.

Most worrying, the longer this ges on, the less chance there is of ever going back to the old 'normal'. Already handshakes look like a thing of the past. There's a generation of kids growing up who regard social media and now social distancing as the norm. How do you turn the clock back from there?