[Albion] Ferdi Kadioglu **Singed 27/08/24**

[MJsGhost]

I wonder what they’ll get for Casimero, he was 30 million two seasons ago wasn’t he? Big wages too, could be (hopefully will be) problematic offloading him.

McThug should be easy to move on as long as he wants to be

McTominay (as with everyone at ManU) will be on wages out of the reach of a lot of clubs too, so it'll keep a lid on the fee they get for him.

Casemiro is Saudi-bound, SURELY? No club in their right mind would splurge on the wages required (assuming he won't take a cut - why would he when he has 2 years left on his contract?*)




*I think it's 2 years anyway

 

[pigmanovich]

McTominay (as with everyone at ManU) will be on wages out of the reach of a lot of clubs too, so it'll keep a lid on the fee they get for him.

Casemiro is Saudi-bound, SURELY? No club in their right mind would splurge on the wages required (assuming he won't take a cut - why would he when he has 2 years left on his contract?*)




*I think it's 2 years anyway

Fulham want McTominay AFAIK

 

[Napper]

If we do sign him, huge pressure on the new manager to get European football IMO

Cant see it. Supporters and owner realistic in that (depressingly) its highly unlikely we will finish above

City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Villa
Newcastle
Chelsea
United
Spurs

So thats a best of 9th and I expect West Ham , Palace + Fulham have some ideas on that place.

Possible of course that some of those teams have shockers and the fact all thos sides are so strong should mean everyone taking points off each other.

Our best chance of Europe is to win a trophy and even then you need to avoid City minimum to do it.

Owners and fans would take 10th and exciting football in a heart beat

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

If we do sign him, huge pressure on the new manager to get European football IMO

Maybe by winning a trophy - I think winning the League Cup is a better bet for us than coming top 6/7

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Our best chance of Europe is to win a trophy and even then you need to avoid City minimum to do it.

Agree

 

[Commander]

Cant see it. Supporters and owner realistic in that (depressingly) its highly unlikely we will finish above

City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Villa
Newcastle
Chelsea
United
Spurs

So thats a best of 9th and I expect West Ham , Palace + Fulham have some ideas on that place.

Possible of course that some of those teams have shockers and the fact all thos sides are so strong should mean everyone taking points off each other.

Our best chance of Europe is to win a trophy and even then you need to avoid City minimum to do it.

Owners and fans would take 10th and exciting football in a heart beat

Thing is, football doesn't work like that. Absolutely no way will those 8 clubs all finish in the top 8. At least one or two of them will have a surprisingly crap season, and one or two outsider teams will take those spots. It happens every single season.

 

[Stato]

If we do sign him, huge pressure on the new manager to get European football IMO

I hope not. It's a young and inexperienced squad managed by a coach who will need time to find his feet in the EPL. The competitition for the top places is going to be extreme. I'm just hoping for some spectacular goals / wins when things come off, but expecting some deflating reverses when we over-commit. All good, that's Brighton. A high league finish would be nice, but this squad seems to be being built with the view to a consolidated future, not for immediate reward.

 

[Han Solo]

Thing is, football doesn't work like that. Absolutely no way will those 8 clubs all finish in the top 8. At least one or two of them will have a surprisingly crap season, and one or two outsider teams will take those spots. It happens every single season.

Football could turn into working like that if the investment and wages of the top 8 are on a different dimension to everyone elses. Over time, this would result in the top 8 being the top 8 the vast majority of seasons.

We saw increased "layering" last season and imho there's a chance the league will basically be divided into three internal divisions, with plenty of daylight between them.

The top 8
Us, Palace, Brentford, Wolves, Fulham etc
The bottom 5 (Leicester, Everton, Ipswich, Nottingham, and the last shite team I'm forgetting right now)

 

[Guinness Boy]

Owners and fans would take 10th and exciting football in a heart beat

Bloom's ambitions will be bigger than that.

 

[pigmanovich]

Owners and fans would take 10th and exciting football in a heart beat

What does that make those of us who might be aiming a bit higher, exactly?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Football could turn into working like that if the investment and wages of the top 8 are on a different dimension to everyone elses. Over time, this would result in the top 8 being the top 8 the vast majority of seasons.

We saw increased "layering" last season and imho there's a chance the league will basically be divided into three internal divisions, with plenty of daylight between them.

The top 8
Us, Palace, Brentford, Wolves, Fulham etc
The bottom 5 (Leicester, Everton, Ipswich, Nottingham, and the last shite team I'm forgetting right now)

At the moment they can't be. PSR is keeping things fairly level. Liverpool haven't bought, Newcastle had to sell Minteh to us, Man City are short odds for relegation because of their legal troubles.

PSR may not last. Some big names don't like it. Martin Samuels has basically taken the Saudi line lock, stock and barrel and wants Newcastle to be able to spend whatever they like 'because they can'. Todd will be making similar noises at Chelsea. Man City are taking the legal fight to the Premier League, on the front foot as ever.

Bloom, shrewd operator that he is, has seen this window as the one where we have cash from previous deals and headroom from previous deals and got in there with some decent players, while other big clubs can't spend without PSR issues.

Part of the reason for my reply to @Napper would be that he will want to see return on the investment. We may end up with sides freed of PSR spending untold billions in the future. Our additional revenue would have to come from Europe, as would our attractiveness to good young players.

EDIT - TL;DR? This is the window where we'll outspend a few big clubs and Bloom will want to see that come to something.

 

[Han Solo]

Bloom's ambitions will be bigger than that.

Not really that easy either is it. "League position" depends on a lot of things that has nothing to do with us. "Number of points" is a more relevant way of thinking.

35 pts (terrible) could be enough for 15th place (bad, but not terrible). 60 points (great) might not take us higher than 10th (ok).

Think Tony would be pleased with 55 points (7 pts better than last season). Less than that is probably below expectations.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Not really that easy either is it. "League position" depends on a lot of things that has nothing to do with us. "Number of points" is a more relevant way of thinking.

35 pts (terrible) could be enough for 15th place (bad, but not terrible). 60 points (great) might not take us higher than 10th (ok).

Think Tony would be pleased with 55 points (7 pts better than last season). Less than that is probably below expectations.

I think he'll have specific targets around European qualification.

 

[Han Solo]

At the moment they can't be. PSR is keeping things fairly level. Liverpool haven't bought, Newcastle had to sell Minteh to us, Man City are short odds for relegation because of their legal troubles.

PSR may not last. Some big names don't like it. Martin Samuels has basically taken the Saudi line lock, stock and barrel and wants Newcastle to be able to spend whatever they like 'because they can'. Todd will be making similar noises at Chelsea. Man City are taking the legal fight to the Premier League, on the front foot as ever.

Bloom, shrewd operator that he is, has seen this window as the one where we have cash from previous deals and headroom from previous deals and got in there with some decent players, while other big clubs can't spend without PSR issues.

Part of the reason for my reply to @Napper would be that he will want to see return on the investment. We may end up with sides freed of PSR spending untold billions in the future. Our additional revenue would have to come from Europe, as would our attractiveness to good young players.

EDIT - TL;DR? This is the window where we'll outspend a few big clubs and Bloom will want to see that come to something.

Problem is that given the chaos surrounding a lot of the top 8 clubs, they might actually be better off developing what they have rather than buying a bunch of overpriced junk.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Problem is that given the chaos surrounding a lot of the top 8 clubs, they might actually be better off developing what they have rather than buying a bunch of overpriced junk.

Of course. Youth development is high up on everyone's priorities and the big clubs have the name and the facilities to attract decent youngsters from the start. However, it's a big gamble (we're good at it but have bought more young first teamers than we've pulled in from the academy) and some of the 8 are better than others at it.

 

[Professor Plum]

Cant see it. Supporters and owner realistic in that (depressingly) its highly unlikely we will finish above

City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Villa
Newcastle
Chelsea
United
Spurs

So thats a best of 9th and I expect West Ham , Palace + Fulham have some ideas on that place.

Possible of course that some of those teams have shockers and the fact all thos sides are so strong should mean everyone taking points off each other.

Our best chance of Europe is to win a trophy and even then you need to avoid City minimum to do it.

Owners and fans would take 10th and exciting football in a heart beat

I think Villa will be well out of it this year because of CL football, and Spurs, Chelsea, Man Utd all have Thursday night matches which can be chaotic for fixtures and injuries, as we know. So I’m more optimistic. I think we can finish in the top third of the table and grab some sort of European place.

 

[Commander]

Football could turn into working like that if the investment and wages of the top 8 are on a different dimension to everyone elses. Over time, this would result in the top 8 being the top 8 the vast majority of seasons.

We saw increased "layering" last season and imho there's a chance the league will basically be divided into three internal divisions, with plenty of daylight between them.

The top 8
Us, Palace, Brentford, Wolves, Fulham etc
The bottom 5 (Leicester, Everton, Ipswich, Nottingham, and the last shite team I'm forgetting right now)

It has already to a certain extent. But I there are still always anomalies. It doesn't matter how many billions you throw at it, it doesn't always work.

 

[Han Solo]

It has already to a certain extent. But I there are still always anomalies. It doesn't matter how many billions you throw at it, it doesn't always work.

Of course. And I'm not ruling out European football, but more likely not to happen.

 

[Dawn Korus]

a lot of the time it also depends when you play teams. When they have a slump, game after a european game, injuries etc

 

[The Fits]

This one really feels like the one we need.