[Other Sport] FC Newcastle's most famous supporter....

[Eeyore]

I understand the context of this thread in relation to previous similar ones. I understand what the joke is. I am not personally in any way offended by the thread or the joke (except the bit where I as called a racist). However, the joke is clearly based on the dress restrictions placed on some Muslim women. If this pictorial joke was circulated in any corporate culture, there would be severe repercussions for anyone circulating it. I am not saying the OP is racist. The joke that constitutes the start of the thread clearly makes fun of Islamic culture Some people would consider it Islamophobic and so racist. I accept that not everyone would call it Islamophobic. I also accept that not everyone accepts that Islamophobia is racist (although many do).

I also thought it was interesting that this thread receives no criticism except from myself and at the same time the Yorkshire Cricket issue (and thread) exists which I suspect originated with low level racial banter and escalated from there.

From a stand point of opposition to racism and prejudice, I always feel qualified to make points on issues such as this, although a little wary of 'likes' from the PPF brigade (which has happened before).

Context and intent is the key- always.

Is it wrong to joke about Islamic culture ? Ignorant, perhaps, but the word 'Islamaphobia' is an essay in itself. You can band it sometimes with perceptions of Jewish folk, Irish people and even being British itself. So at some stage all of us could be on the offensive end of humour.

At some stage in my younger days I know I've told jokes about the lot. Yet I have no issues with Muslims, Jewish folk, Irish or even being British itself. It's all about intent. In fact, I have a deep love of Irish and Jewish culture, but there are some jokes I find funny (although not ones about the holocaust). When I lived in Australia I was sometimes the butt of jokes because I am very English. It was harmless fun. Again, intent.

Sometimes you just have to be offended and comforted that no-one means to be nasty. We don't make jokes about the colour of folk's skin. People are very reserved about holding up jokes about being homosexual- excepting one's that don't demean or suggest gay people are lesser or inferior. So they should be. But racial and cultural stereo-typing, it's part of life and almost a celebration of differences in the right context- as long as it is not abusive.

'What do you call a good-looking guy in Britain? A tourist' (Sweden)

“What is black and white and red all over? An English steak hideously overcooked and ruined further by the addition of ketchup and mayonnaise.” (France)

Nope, I'm not offended.

 

[Official Old Man]

On opening the post I wanted to laugh, but then it occured to me that I shouldn't. I'm stuck in the middle. Pictures are generally of girls posing for the camera, this one isn't posed. Is it offensive? I just don't know. Why should it be? But then it has been posted in a way to laugh at the Saudi people. Is that offensive. Put another way, would we laugh at a Mexican asleep under a hat, a fat American or, wait, how about laughing at women who get lost?
I'm letting out a giggle but feel guilty doing so.

 

[maffew]

I understand the context of this thread in relation to previous similar ones. I understand what the joke is. I am not personally in any way offended by the thread or the joke (except the bit where I as called a racist). However, the joke is clearly based on the dress restrictions placed on some Muslim women. If this pictorial joke was circulated in any corporate culture, there would be severe repercussions for anyone circulating it. I am not saying the OP is racist. The joke that constitutes the start of the thread clearly makes fun of Islamic culture Some people would consider it Islamophobic and so racist. I accept that not everyone would call it Islamophobic. I also accept that not everyone accepts that Islamophobia is racist (although many do).

I also thought it was interesting that this thread receives no criticism except from myself and at the same time the Yorkshire Cricket issue (and thread) exists which I suspect originated with low level racial banter and escalated from there.

I think most of us were just hoping to see someone fit, in a bikini or something, and crodo totally blind sided us

 

[NooBHA]

No disrespec Mona, you may be one of Saudi Arabia's favourite philanthropists but there will be no charity at the Amex tomorrow as your boys take one helluva beating.

GPott and the boys are in fine fettle after a hugely impressive point at Anfield and will be straining at a leash to follow that up with 3 pleasing points at home to your relegation cannon fodder.

Come on, another near full house at the Amex, so those of you lucky enough to have tickets, raise the roof for the boys as they aim to go another 3 points closer to the promised land of EPL football 22/23.

I just couldn't get my Politically Correct Head on in time to stop myself from laughing

 

[Pondicherry]

From a stand point of opposition to racism and prejudice, I always feel qualified to make points on issues such as this, although a little wary of 'likes' from the PPF brigade (which has happened before).

Context and intent is the key- always.

Is it wrong to joke about Islamic culture ? Ignorant, perhaps, but the word 'Islamaphobia' is an essay in itself. You can band it sometimes with perceptions of Jewish folk, Irish people and even being British itself. So at some stage all of us could be on the offensive end of humour.

At some stage in my younger days I know I've told jokes about the lot. Yet I have no issues with Muslims, Jewish folk, Irish or even being British itself. It's all about intent. In fact, I have a deep love of Irish and Jewish culture, but there are some jokes I find funny (although not ones about the holocaust). When I lived in Australia I was sometimes the butt of jokes because I am very English. It was harmless fun. Again, intent.

Sometimes you just have to be offended and comforted that no-one means to be nasty. We don't make jokes about the colour of folk's skin. People are very reserved about holding up jokes about being homosexual- excepting one's that don't demean or suggest gay people are lesser or inferior. So they should be. But racial and cultural stereo-typing, it's part of life and almost a celebration of differences in the right context- as long as it is not abusive.

'What do you call a good-looking guy in Britain? A tourist' (Sweden)

“What is black and white and red all over? An English steak hideously overcooked and ruined further by the addition of ketchup and mayonnaise.” (France)

Nope, I'm not offended.

I don't really disagree with anything you have said here. I guess the point I am trying to make (and failing) is that there is a line at which racial and cultural stereotyping moves from acceptable to not acceptable. This line is invisible (obviously) and moves with the political and cultural climate. My opinion based on my experience is that in a lot of social settings (not all) this type of joke/thread would cross into the not acceptable category. I accept that I am in a tiny minority here (which surprises me slightly) but no harm done as we can have different opinions and still get along.

 

[NooBHA]

I may be totally misunderstanding the current political climate but this is racist.

Nah - Not Racist at all - She is wearing the Replica Kit of their Women's Team

 

[Eeyore]

I don't really disagree with anything you have said here. I guess the point I am trying to make (and failing) is that there is a line at which racial and cultural stereotyping moves from acceptable to not acceptable. This line is invisible (obviously) and moves with the political and cultural climate. My opinion based on my experience is that in a lot of social settings (not all) this type of joke/thread would cross into the not acceptable category. I accept that I am in a tiny minority here (which surprises me slightly) but no harm done as we can have different opinions and still get along.

Oh, yes. Although your response raises further questions. And in an absolutist age and the flowing cultural understandings it all gets rather confused.

For me the key is always context and intent- as well as the desire to be reasonable about things. It flies in the face of the liberal puritanism we have now.

The Yorkshire cricket club thing for me is an example. There are a few absolutes (such as racism should not be tolerated) but it was clear to me that a lot of context needed to be provided. That may upset folk who have brought there sandwiches for a good 'anging and who would naturally accuse me of condoning racism. That is a hard task for those who know me and forces a reasoned response rather than an accusation.

To me nothing is inappropriate unless it causes harm or is dangerous. This means that there is no absolute judgement for words or actions. I thought the OP was funny as I have no prejudice against women in burkas, but someone else such as PPF finding it funny is offensive.

There's no black and white here. Well, actually there is given the club involved.

 

[Winker]

I like this guy:

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I may be totally misunderstanding the current political climate but this is racist.

It isn't, but it would have been if Boris Johnson was trying to post a letter, but he got away with that one too.
I am so anti racist but I laughed out loud when I saw the picture.

 

[A1X]

To be fair to Crodo..
This is the greatest of all his efforts.

Just brilliant.

Agreed. Very rarely do I open a thread and genuinely laugh, this was one such occasion.

 

[Baldseagull]

Picture of woman in a burqa is racist? why?

Would it be ok to post a picture of Staveley instead?

Only if she is wearing a Burqa, her face scares me, (by the way, the woman in the picture is wearing a niqab)

 

[Questions]

Across her back?

Come on you stripes

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Never disappoints

 

[OzMike]

I may be totally misunderstanding the current political climate but this is racist.

Black humour, pardon the pun.

 

[schmunk]

Black humour, pardon the pun.

Get with the programme, grandad - we have to call it African American humour now.

 

[Bakero]

Get with the programme, grandad - we have to call it African American humour now.

My girlfriend was once chastised by an American for referring to a friend as Black, being told she should say African American. The yank was bemused upon hearing that wouldn't make sense seeing as the friend was born in London to Nigerian parents and had never stepped foot in the States.

 

[faoileán]

Get with the programme, grandad - we have to call it African American humour now.

That has to be the most ignorant comment I can remember reading on here this year...congratulations

 

[Dick Head]

Crodo's 'most famous supporter' threads are always politically incorrect. Maybe this is the punchline we've been waiting for all these years and the joke is finally played out.





P.S. I thought it was funny.

 

[maffew]

I like this guy:

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JCL

 

[Coldeanseagull]

I didn't find anything that was racist in the picture, maybe stereotypical but how far up peoples backsides does it go when we refer to the germans by a fermented cabbage name, or the french with eating amphibians?
I'm sure they all have little nicknames for us