Fat people, scourge of society or unfortunate victims?

[BadFish]

It's sad really that society, and NSC is a portrayal of society, that the World is full of cynical and heartless bastards. It seems to have gotten worse over recent years. The whole " let me feel superior " because I do not have the same affliction, and I am therefore, by default, a better person and I can go to bed with the warm glow that I am a much better Human Being is quite sickiening really. The World seems to be inhabited by absolute c*nts now and this thread shows this quite clearly.

Quite. It is the stupidity of the society that lacks respect for its marginalised members and then moan when those members dare to act out and need help or punishment which cost money, that really gets me.

If we treat everyone with respect then mostly they will act with respect.

Of course one part of the human frailty is hypocrisy. something which I am struggling with right now because the are many on this thread who have lost my respect. Still i will continue the struggle to respect them, despite their afflictions.

 

[daveybgtt]

in a thread full of idiotic and disgusting thoughts and comments. This one hits a new low.

I think that overweight people are better off without your respect.

I hope that when your human flaw exposes its self to you, you find more sympathy and respect that you can offer to others (and that you learn something about people and their frailties along the way).

Oh f*** off you self righteous prick. Go eat another f***ing donut and wheeze up the stairs.

 

[beorhthelm]

Sorry mate. I may have got the wrong end of the stick and over reacted. It has been known before ! I just find this whole thread very depressing in the 21st century. The views on here are something you might have expected to see in the 1930's with Nazi Germany, the persecution of certain members of society and as I know a few " fatties " I felt duty bound to defend them.

are you really trying to compare the systematic persecution and eventual slaughter of races and ethnic groups to saying some people should probably stop eating so much fatty foods and take some extra exercise? one group are the same as anyone else in every respect other than their hertiage which is nothing they can change, the other are choosing by their diet to be a bit different and takeing up more than their fair share of the seats.

 

[BadFish]

are you really trying to compare the systematic persecution and eventual slaughter of races and ethnic groups to saying some people should probably stop eating so much fatty foods and take some extra exercise? one group are the same as anyone else in every respect other than their hertiage which is nothing they can change, the other are choosing by their diet to be a bit different and takeing up more than their fair share of the seats.

If you look at children in society, some are already overweight by 7 or 8 years old. They will grow up overweight, they will always be overweight, given this conditioning and self image how easy do you think it will be for them to change during adulthood?

I had been stick thin all my life despite what I ate. Then i hit my 30's and i started to get bigger. I changed my eating habits and did a bit more exercise.....easy. Would it have been as easy for me if I had been overweight all my life and never saw my self as a thin person?

 

[larus]

The majority of people who are fat, are this way because their calorie intake is too high.
The majority of fat people would 'prefer' to be slimmer, but also have a tendency to try to laugh it off in public.

The reasons for this are varied and, often, complex. It may stem from a poor diet as a child and hence a 'learnt liftstyle'. If you've never been in the position of having to try to adjust you whole life, you can't know the difficulties involved in doing it.

I'm think that I'm very lucky. I'm 49, 30" waist since I was late teens, very fit/active, enjoy health living and never had a real problem with any form of addiction (drugs, smoking, food - maybe had times when I've drunk more than I would have liked, but never a heavy drinker, more a regular drinker thing).

One of the greatest problems is that dieting is NOT the thing to do. This causes muscle to be lost, which in turn slows down the metabolism, so that when you start back eating again, the weight piles back on. The only way to lose the weight is to exercise; build up slowly and stick to it. Increase the percentage of muscle in your body, and forget about weight; just look at your body in a mirror. Do you like what you see - simple. Adjust the type of foods you eat; fruit, nuts, seeds, salad, veg, lean meat, fish. Reduce the high calorie foods and 'waste calories'; i.e alcohol, sweets, crisps, cakes, etc. You don't have to go hungry to lose weight.

However, if someones life is pretty shit, it's very hard to raise the motivation to change. Food may provide the temporary pleasure from the drudgery of their daily existence.

I've learnt over the years that being pious and self-righteous is not nice and, often, the views which I/you may have are tainted by our, maybe, more fortunate experiences. Yes, the facts are that for 99% of people who are over-weight it is their fault - they are in control of what they feed their bodies. However, without knowing the full extent of their life experiences, then making sweeping generalisations is not reasonable.

 

[BadFish]

The majority of people who are fat, are this way because their calorie intake is too high.
The majority of fat people would 'prefer' to be slimmer, but also have a tendency to try to laugh it off in public.

The reasons for this are varied and, often, complex. It may stem from a poor diet as a child and hence a 'learnt liftstyle'. If you've never been in the position of having to try to adjust you whole life, you can't know the difficulties involved in doing it.

I'm think that I'm very lucky. I'm 49, 30" waist since I was late teens, very fit/active, enjoy health living and never had a real problem with any form of addiction (drugs, smoking, food - maybe had times when I've drunk more than I would have liked, but never a heavy drinker, more a regular drinker thing).

One of the greatest problems is that dieting is NOT the thing to do. This causes muscle to be lost, which in turn slows down the metabolism, so that when you start back eating again, the weight piles back on. The only way to lose the weight is to exercise; build up slowly and stick to it. Increase the percentage of muscle in your body, and forget about weight; just look at your body in a mirror. Do you like what you see - simple. Adjust the type of foods you eat; fruit, nuts, seeds, salad, veg, lean meat, fish. Reduce the high calorie foods and 'waste calories'; i.e alcohol, sweets, crisps, cakes, etc. You don't have to go hungry to lose weight.

However, if someones life is pretty shit, it's very hard to raise the motivation to change. Food may provide the temporary pleasure from the drudgery of their daily existence.

I've learnt over the years that being pious and self-righteous is not nice and, often, the views which I/you may have are tainted by our, maybe, more fortunate experiences. Yes, the facts are that for 99% of people who are over-weight it is their fault - they are in control of what they feed their bodies. However, without knowing the full extent of their life experiences, then making sweeping generalisations is not reasonable.

Beautifully put. Good on you.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

are you really trying to compare the systematic persecution and eventual slaughter of races and ethnic groups to saying some people should probably stop eating so much fatty foods and take some extra exercise? one group are the same as anyone else in every respect other than their hertiage which is nothing they can change, the other are choosing by their diet to be a bit different and takeing up more than their fair share of the seats.

It started the same way in Germany in the 1930's because of a group being persecuted. The same extremes would not happen now but the problem is the same.

 

[beorhthelm]

If you look at children in society, some are already overweight by 7 or 8 years old. They will grow up overweight, they will always be overweight, given this conditioning and self image how easy do you think it will be for them to change during adulthood?

I had been stick thin all my life despite what I ate. Then i hit my 30's and i started to get bigger. I changed my eating habits and did a bit more exercise.....easy. Would it have been as easy for me if I had been overweight all my life and never saw my self as a thin person?

right. so what do we do about that, maybe encourage better diet in childern? or just ignore it and, apparently, not even talk about it due to upsetting peoples feelings? bollocks to that. either way, whats it got to do with 1930's germanic style persecution? no one is suggesting round up the fatties and gassing them, only that they should be encouraged to eat less/exercise more. the biggest winner of this would be themselves. the OP might have used strong language but if you replace "Fat people" with "chavs" would any one be defending them? both are persons in society that have always been there but have increased recently and are self inflicted conditions, which would be better off themselfs if they altered their behaviour.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

NSC at it's very worst.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Think you are on your own on that one. I am now racking my brains trying to think of a hot ginger. Always thought they smelt a bit strange maybe that's just me?

Emily Blunt. But she wouldn't give you a second look I am afraid.

 

[Deanbha]

in a thread full of idiotic and disgusting thoughts and comments. This one hits a new low.

I think that overweight people are better off without your respect.

I hope that when your human flaw exposes its self to you, you find more sympathy and respect that you can offer to others (and that you learn something about people and their frailties along the way).

Maybe was a tad harsh. Still have no sympathy for fat people though.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

right. so what do we do about that, maybe encourage better diet in childern? or just ignore it and, apparently, not even talk about it due to upsetting peoples feelings? bollocks to that. either way, whats it got to do with 1930's germanic style persecution? no one is suggesting round up the fatties and gassing them, only that they should be encouraged to eat less/exercise more. the biggest winner of this would be themselves. the OP might have used strong language but if you replace "Fat people" with "chavs" would any one be defending them? both are persons in society that have always been there but have increased recently and are self inflicted conditions, which would be better off themselfs if they altered their behaviour.

the thing is quite a few people would probably think round them up and gas them. It's the fact that unless you are perceived to be a perfect human speciman , much like Hitler's master race you are ridiculed which is ironic as the last NSC get together was like a victorian freakshow.

 

[beorhthelm]

It started the same way in Germany in the 1930's because of a group being persecuted. The same extremes would not happen now but the problem is the same.

i think your really, really degrading the severity and significance of that 1930's persecution by makeing the comparison. its not remotly the same problem. in fact i think you must know that and you are fishing...

 

[BadFish]

right. so what do we do about that, maybe encourage better diet in childern? or just ignore it and, apparently, not even talk about it due to upsetting peoples feelings? bollocks to that. either way, whats it got to do with 1930's germanic style persecution? no one is suggesting round up the fatties and gassing them, only that they should be encouraged to eat less/exercise more. the biggest winner of this would be themselves. the OP might have used strong language but if you replace "Fat people" with "chavs" would any one be defending them? both are persons in society that have always been there but have increased recently and are self inflicted conditions, which would be better off themselfs if they altered their behaviour.

The reference was about the total lack of respect shown to certain sections of our society. Comparing it to NAzi Germany is probably a few steps to far but I can see the similarities. SOme of the posts on here are not far from suggesting gassing either.
Talking about it helps but there is no way that some of the posts on here are any way constructive.

 

[Deanbha]

Emily Blunt. But she wouldn't give you a second look I am afraid.

Just googled her too. Next...

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

i think your really, really degrading the severity and significance of that 1930's persecution by makeing the comparison. its not remotly the same problem. in fact i think you must know that and you are fishing...

I am talking about the lead up in the 1930's not what happened in the war. the marginalisation of a sector pf society, same as in the 19the century and part of the 20th century with blacks. Just the total lack of respect and blind hatred in many cases.

 

[Deanbha]

This thread could go on forever.