Farage angling for a spot in a right wing Tory government...

[sir albion]

Let's stop second guessing on what might happen if we leave the Eu or stay . But let's have a look at what this amazing position in the EU you are talking about has already done for our economy ?? People need stop looking in the future for the answer but in the past. Here are a few things the EU did to our economy; you can decide if they were good or bad but I know where my vote is going! Please SHARE!
Jaguar Land Rover stops making its Defender in the UK because of EU laws on fuel emissions. It is now set to be built abroad outside the EU.
In 2007 the Peugeot factory in Ryton, Coventry closed down (2,300 job losses) and moved to Slovakia with the help of £78m EU funding.
Britain's remaining ferry service to Scandinavia (DFDS Harwich to Esbjerg) ended in 2014 after 140 years service because of an EU Directive.
'3000 police cars foreign made'. Police say they are powerless to offer contracts to British car factories because of EU procurement rules.
Before the UK entered the EEC/EU, unemployment stood at 2.6%. It is now 5.6% (1.85 million - May, 2015).
Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are thriving because they are not encumbered by Euro bailout costs and extortionate EU membership fees.
There were 25 EU Free Trade Agreements in force in 2012 while the Swiss (non-EU) had independently negotiated 26.
The EU's Landfill Directive has been responsible for some councils ending their weekly bin collections.
EU specified light bulbs cost 500% more than filament bulbs. Some people complain that the EU specified light bulbs produce a lesser quality of light and cfl's contain mercury, a poisonous neurotoxin and phosphors. Health issues affecting those that suffer from light sensitivity.
It's been suggested that VAT on domestic fuels should be cut from 5% to zero. But 5% is the minimum allowed under EU law.
Less than 10% of Britain's GDP represents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of the UK economy.
Britain will pay £100 million a year more to the European budget over the next five years. (Telegraph: 03/12/2014)
Article 42 3. gives the EU the power to begin the process of standardising the military forces of the member states via the EDA.
Britain receives just 49p of every £1 paid to the European Union. (Sunday Express & Business for Britain, 12/07/2015)
TTIP will undermine data privacy by making it easier for companies to gain access to individuals’ personal details for commercial purposes.
EU Commission will block public access to all documents related to TTIP negotiations for 30 years. (EU/US negotiator Ignacio Garcia Bercero)
TTIP will downgrade food safety rules (including restrictions on GMOs), regulations on the use of toxic chemicals and data protection laws.
TTIP will allow corporations to sue the UK under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clause.
European crime gangs are operating here with impunity due to EU open borders. Gov't estimates there are 13k trafficking victims in the UK.
The UK may withdraw from the obligations of any (EU) treaty under Articles 56,65,66,67 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.
The EU isn't in the top five issues people are most concerned about. But those five issues are affected by the EU - like immigration.
HoC library's 13% UK laws made in Brussels figure doesn't include EU reg's which are transposed into law without passing through parliament.
The House of Commons library say 13.3% of UK laws now come from Brussels. European Commissioner Viviane Reding says it's 70%.
Our future does not depend on our membership of the European Union, it rests on our abilities to progress in the world outside of it.
Net EU contributions together with the adverse impact on business here of EU regulations will cost the UK more than £20billion in 2015.
There's no economic benefit in the UK remaining in the EU. EU regulations cost our businesses alone over £9.4bn, according to the BIS.
There was NO 'free movement' for Brits to the EU (EEC) before we joined in '73. Yet we lived, studied, worked, holidayed and retired there.
The EU is NOT "Europe". It's 56% of Europe's countries, 68% of the continent's population and just 43% of its land mass.
UK membership of EU: "Perhaps surprisingly, it's virtually impossible to find hard proof of any net benefit" — Carsten Volkery, Der Spiegel
UK has LOWER GDP ppp per head than:
Australia
Canada
HK
Iceland
Norway
Singapore
Switzerland
Taiwan
USA
Countries THRIVE outside the EU!
Britain’s future outside is bright, while the ‪#‎EU is anti-democratic, anti-growth, and holding Britain back | via E21 http://t.co/fuFrsSuDHs
EU commits €267.6m for Denmark, €129.6m Estonia, €284.6m Germany, €172.9m for Sweden to boost fisheries & aquaculture. Nothing for the UK.
Top importers into the EU, by proportion of total EU imports:
18% China
12% USA
11% Russia
None have Free Trade Agreements with the EU!
'Britain had regular manufacturing & service trade surpluses with the rest of W Europe before joining the EEC (EU) in 1973' — Lewis Abbott
Well over a third of EU citizens reaching the UK in the year to March 2015 (39%) had no job arranged prior to their arrival here. ONS
In the past four quarters the EU exported £84.935bn more goods to the UK than we did to it. The EU cannot afford to stop trading with us!
The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th biggest economies can survive and prosper outside the EU. So can the 5th: the UK.
Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, Chile, Mexico and South Korea have free trade agreements with the EU. So would the UK when we leave it.
UK Net Contributions to the EU budget:
£11.3bn 2015 (OBR estimate)
£11.0bn 2014
£ 8.6bn 2013
£ 8.5bn 2012
£ 8.1bn 2011
£ 7.4bn 2010
Elected MEPs cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation or even repeal legislation. All that is done by the unelected EU Commission.

This appeared on Facebook and to be frank it's all guess work and assumptions and the corporate and ex leaders being twats.
Ifs and buts and nothing more...

 

[sir albion]

So if you want your country to prosper outside the EU and to be independent etc etc that makes you right wing and possibily a racist?
Farage is right wing but not as bad as far righters

 

[daveinprague]

Im sure its been said before.

 

[DataPoint]

Well, the nation needs to decide if it wants that horror show running an isolated England or not.

What's it got to do with you?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Has Farage scored the biggest own goal of his career with his latest poster?

The composition of the shot, the arc of the people, the similarities to actual Nazi propaganda regarding the migration of Eastern Jews is uncanny. The fear it represented then, and represents now. People must realise what this man is. Perhaps some are thankful he has helped bring about this referendum regarding the EU, but make no bones about what this man is really about deep down.

If Remain needed a boast, then perhaps it has come from the most unlikely source...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What's it got to do with you?

Quite possibly exactly the same as you?

(awaits predictable response which Datapoint has been beaten to by about 4 months)

 

[Hampster Gull]

We will be in real trouble if those three are in charge. Seriously

 

[portslade seagull]

Well, the nation needs to decide if it wants that horror show running an isolated England or not.

But they won't be will they it will still be Cameron and his cronies. You just can't help lying on the remain side

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Your ability to sidestep resounding, unprecedented and overwhelming economic consensus is truly an impressive feat of mental gymnastics.

And your ability to rely on arguments from authority while ignoring any other minor details like their appalling track record or vested interests is truly an impressive feat of mental gymnastics.

 

[Bold Seagull]

But they won't be will they it will still be Cameron and his cronies. You just can't help lying on the remain side

It's not a football match. I don't look at all those LEAVING, and think, they are all on the same side. The spectrum of political views on each side will be massive. Remain has 170 Tories, 218 Labour, 54 SNP - they're not a side, they're just campaigning for the same thing for a brief moment.

To then keep saying 'you can't help lying on the Remain side', 'you're all missing the point on the Leave side' is just ridiculous. You might be Leave, [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] might be Leave, but I'm not assuming you are on the same side, you might have completely different political, personal independent reasons for thinking to vote Leave.

As someone who will vote remain, I am getting tired of being assumed of being part of a Remain Team led by this current government whom I didn't vote for. So please desist with this partisan team nonsense!

 

[Mellotron]

When they completely ignore their track record?

https://next.ft.com/content/14e323ee-e602-11e3-aeef-00144feabdc0#axzz33EAHFQqf

Basing our entire economic future on - "well, they might be wrong." Brilliant. Great plan.

****ing lunacy.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Basing our entire economic future on - "well, they might be wrong." Brilliant. Great plan.

****ing lunacy.

Amazing isn't it?

Not just ignorance, but a conscious choice to remain ignorant, in case the educated opinion and advice contradicts what they so desperately want to believe.

So depressing.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Basing our entire economic future on - "well, they might be wrong." Brilliant. Great plan.

****ing lunacy.

So much better than basing a decision on they might be right this time ?

 

[Mellotron]

It's not a football match. I don't look at all those LEAVING, and think, they are all on the same side. The spectrum of political views on each side will be massive. Remain has 170 Tories, 218 Labour, 54 SNP - they're not a side, they're just campaigning for the same thing for a brief moment.

To then keep saying 'you can't help lying on the Remain side', 'you're all missing the point on the Leave side' is just ridiculous. You might be Leave, [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] might be Leave, but I'm not assuming you are on the same side, you might have completely different political, personal independent reasons for thinking to vote Leave.

As someone who will vote remain, I am getting tired of being assumed of being part of a Remain Team led by this current government whom I didn't vote for. So please desist with this partisan team nonsense!

Agreed. The tribalism in every debate nowadays is so reductive and childish. Stop focusing on ****ing points scoring for the red team or the blue team and focus on the actual policies, because that's what actually matters.

 

[Mellotron]

So much better than basing a decision on they might be right this time ?

Do you genuinely think that a pool of 100s of economic experts get it wrong more often than they get it right?

If so then there's no point in us even trying to talk about this.

 

[BBassic]

Has Farage scored the biggest own goal of his career with his latest poster?

The composition of the shot, the arc of the people, the similarities to actual Nazi propaganda regarding the migration of Eastern Jews is uncanny. The fear it represented then, and represents now. People must realise what this man is. Perhaps some are thankful he has helped bring about this referendum regarding the EU, but make no bones about what this man is really about deep down.

If Remain needed a boast, then perhaps it has come from the most unlikely source...

I saw this on Twitter earlier and was just gobsmacked.

Who in his team signed off on that? And did they know what they were doing when they did?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Do you genuinely think that a pool of 100s of economic experts get it wrong more often than they get it right?

If so then there's no point in us even trying to talk about this.

100s of economic experts, from different backgrounds and vested interests and political leanings. 100s. With a massive consensus that staying IN is the sensible option.

It makes sense to heed their advice.


Much as I personally disagree with them, I can at least understand people choosing Leave based on the social / immigration / sovereignty arguments. Those trying to argue an economic case for Leave are delusional.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Do you genuinely think that a pool of 100s of economic experts get it wrong more often than they get it right?

If so then there's no point in us even trying to talk about this.

I know consensus/groupthink amongst economists is no guarantee of accuracy as their past performance shows. Brexit is such a unique situation with so many unknown variables combined with numerous other factors I believe it makes economic forecasting even more unreliable than it already is.

Short term instability may have some negative consequences but after that nobody truly knows.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Short term instability may have some negative consequences but after that nobody truly knows.

MAY have? Britain has lost more money just over the uncertainty, in a WEEK, than it would have paid into the EU in the next TEN YEARS.

MAY have some negative consequences?

We need a 'fingers in ears, I'm not listening' smiley.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

MAY have? Britain has lost more money just over the uncertainty, in a WEEK, than it would have paid into the EU in the next TEN YEARS.

MAY have some negative consequences?

We need a 'fingers in ears, I'm not listening' smiley.

And today the FTSE is recovering lost ground and the pound is strengthening despite yet another poll showing a big swing to Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-campaign-remain-european-union-a7084951.html

One of the factors which make economic forecasting so difficult/unreliable is the forecasts also have an effect. I'm not surprised the markets are so nervous considering the doomsday statements made by Chancellor/Treasury/B of E Governor.