FAO: Anyone who wishes to show their support to students...

[The Brighton Ace]

Wow - a couple of terrible examples of stereotyping!

 

[Brian Potter]

KneeOn ; Do you have a credit card? Are you happy to use credit facilities ( be that a credit card or overdraft facility) to improve your social and leisure life (tv/PS3 etc) which you have to pay back at an agreed rate? If so, then why are you so against using credit facilities (which is ulitmately what these fees are) to improve your future earning potential and quality of life(better job more expendable income etc) which will also be paid back at an agreed rate?

 

[Collar Feeler]

Would you accept 200% added on to the tuition fees? I personally accept that there will be a need for a rise. But adding six grand a year from three grand is an unjust hike.

Can you explain how the upper working class will be hit harder than the middle class?

Generally speaking although the middle and UWC earn enough to get support the middle earns more than the UWC.

Therefore a rise will hit the UWC harder because they have less money.

Christ all the while people like you are still perpetuating the outdated concepts of 'middle class' and 'upper working class' and pigeonholing people thus, based on the naive belief that class is about how much a person earns what hope is there?

That said, you sound like a reasonable person and I have to agree a £6000 hike is bloody steep so I can only defend your right to protest. My earlier comments were very firmly tongue in cheek.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Unfortunately, all the oldsters here will be busy digging around for gorgeous Albion tat at the BHA Collectors and Historians' Society Fair on 5th December.

 

[Safe.]

I saw a video of the last protest, noticed a few wankers. I'm pretty sure most people are joining in just to be part of something.

 

[KneeOn]

Christ all the while people like you are still perpetuating the outdated concepts of 'middle class' and 'upper working class' and pigeonholing people thus, based on the naive belief that class is about how much a person earns what hope is there?

That said, you sound like a reasonable person and I have to agree a £6000 hike is bloody steep so I can only defend your right to protest. My earlier comments were very firmly tongue in cheek.

I don't like pigeonholing but when you're dealing with a large number of people it will happen. No government can look at cases individually and asses each and every one. So class distinctions will come with the grouping together of people.

Of course its out dated, beacuse social factors more than ever muddy the concept of class with people who seem like "working class thugs" actually being very well off, and those who are some of the poorest people in our land and further afar in the world are actually the brightest in the world.

Like any movement, protest, group of people or the like there are a range of opinions. The student marches attract a broadchurch of views on how to approach the cuts from the extreme and violent anarchists (although they're appearing less) to the "no cuts" group, the "no fees" lot, the "This is a robbery" collection, the disgruntled and betrayed libdem students (who gave their vote based heavily on this promise that has now been repealed). Theres the school children who follow the protest, and while they are there learn about why they're protesting.

This event was made by some one with a very extreme view for all of the different opinions that the student movement holds.

 

[willyfantastic]

graduated last year and i support the protests in a way, altho the violence isnt necessary.....

i dont know if people remember that tuition fees were actually 1k a year up until 2006, then went to 3k the year i started......

they like to treble it

 

[KneeOn]

KneeOn ; Do you have a credit card? Are you happy to use credit facilities ( be that a credit card or overdraft facility) to improve your social and leisure life (tv/PS3 etc) which you have to pay back at an agreed rate? If so, then why are you so against using credit facilities (which is ulitmately what these fees are) to improve your future earning potential and quality of life(better job more expendable income etc) which will also be paid back at an agreed rate?

Sorry I missed this.

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No, i'll only EVER take credit when i'm buying my own home which I don't know if i'll ever do anyway - i've spent my whole life in accomedation that we've not owned and I do'nt get the thing about owning your own home...
I've got 2 cards. My kiddies cash card and my recently aquired debit card.

 

[Everest]

That makes a change.
Students NOT taking a day off from their learning.

Wouldn't it be a shame if some of you failed exams and had to do it all again because of all of this, racking up the loans?

Just don't f*** me about when I'm working..... AGAIN.

 

[KneeOn]

graduated last year and i support the protests in a way, altho the violence isnt necessary.....

i dont know if people remember that tuition fees were actually 1k a year up until 2006, then went to 3k the year i started......

they like to treble it

Maybe thats why BoF didn't protest. 1k. In the space of around 4/5ish years the tution fee rate for students will have increaced TEN FOLD.

Utter joke IMO. Even as a solid labour supporter this issue is not party political.

 

[KneeOn]

That makes a change.
Students NOT taking a day off from their learning.

Wouldn't it be a shame if some of you failed exams and had to do it all again because of all of this, racking up the loans?

Just don't f*** me about when I'm working..... AGAIN.

Not trying to put our campaign and cause with the protests and movement by the black people of the USA but that sounds like a very white thing that would have been said. "Wouldn't it be funny if those black people got fired because they were protesting. Just don't f*** me about when i'm working again"...

On one level the current movement and the Civil rights movement are totally different and on another all protests are the same: they face this "f*** OFF MESSING ME ABOUT" stance.

The whole point is to do it at times that will mess people about. Thats usually what a strike or a walk out intends to do. Sorry, nothing personal. I'm a union member at my Sixth Form and actually the lack of uptake on protests because of lessons was much much greater than I expected. So many people in both AS and A2 aren't leaving lessons to protest. Don't tar all students with the same brush, there are large groups who don't come out to march.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

I don't like pigeonholing but when you're dealing with a large number of people it will happen. No government can look at cases individually and asses each and every one. So class distinctions will come with the grouping together of people.

Of course its out dated, beacuse social factors more than ever muddy the concept of class with people who seem like "working class thugs" actually being very well off, and those who are some of the poorest people in our land and further afar in the world are actually the brightest in the world.

Like any movement, protest, group of people or the like there are a range of opinions. The student marches attract a broadchurch of views on how to approach the cuts from the extreme and violent anarchists (although they're appearing less) to the "no cuts" group, the "no fees" lot, the "This is a robbery" collection, the disgruntled and betrayed libdem students (who gave their vote based heavily on this promise that has now been repealed). Theres the school children who follow the protest, and while they are there learn about why they're protesting.

This event was made by some one with a very extreme view for all of the different opinions that the student movement holds.

It's great that a movement attracts people with a wide range of backgrounds, ages and opinions. I contend that it's healthy for a democracy for people to unite and express their views so publicly, especially young people who are developing their political consciousness and don't yet have the right to vote. The problem is that while everyone there agrees that they don't want cuts (I mean, who does?), it sounds as if:
a) There is no agreed alternative proposal being offered
b) There is no strategy for getting an agreed alternative proposal in place

As an exercise in self-expression, a march is great. However, beyond that, what is the game plan?

 

[cannedheat]

It's a choice for me, support you lot or rip my finger nails out.

















Got any pliers I can borrow.

 

[KneeOn]

It's great that a movement attracts people with a wide range of backgrounds, ages and opinions. I contend that it's healthy for a democracy for people to unite and express their views so publicly, especially young people who are developing their political consciousness and don't yet have the right to vote. The problem is that while everyone there agrees that they don't want cuts (I mean, who does?), it sounds as if:
a) There is an agreed alternative proposal being offered
b) There is no strategy for getting an agreed alternative proposal in place

As an exercise in self-expression, a march is great. However, beyond that, what is the game plan?

The NUS are going to use their offical status as the national union to work out a comprimise in the deal.
There is wider acceptance as each day goes by that we're going to need to accept a rise. Student bodies and organizations are starting to formulate a target which we would like to see, likely to be a much smaller increace to the fees. Outside of that, its keep the pressure on. Don't let the government think in a few weeks "thank god thats over, that was a close one".

Even if the proposed changes become statutes, thats only a battle we've lost. Every protest we go on is a battle in the war against education cuts. All the while those who have connections negotiate we as the [largely] peaceful foot soldiers if you will need to continue showing our support for the actions by the NUS and the UCU, and our disgust at the proposed fee increaces.

 

[KneeOn]

It's a choice for me, support you lot or rip my finger nails out.

Got any pliers I can borrow.

Fantastic for you.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Giraffe

Agree with your point of blame but still can not see why your nephew can not go to uni. You don't pay up front.

 

[KneeOn]

Giraffe

Agree with your point of blame but still can not see why your nephew can not go to uni. You don't pay up front.

Because the debt you come out with is very hard to cope with and is a major put-off. Who wants to be faced with debts of 27 grand at least when they leave Uni?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

The NUS are going to use their offical status as the national union to work out a comprimise in the deal.
There is wider acceptance as each day goes by that we're going to need to accept a rise. Student bodies and organizations are starting to formulate a target which we would like to see, likely to be a much smaller increace to the fees. Outside of that, its keep the pressure on. Don't let the government think in a few weeks "thank god thats over, that was a close one".

Even if the proposed changes become statutes, thats only a battle we've lost. Every protest we go on is a battle in the war against education cuts. All the while those who have connections negotiate we as the [largely] peaceful foot soldiers if you will need to continue showing our support for the actions by the NUS and the UCU, and our disgust at the proposed fee increaces.

I'd be interested in knowing the NUS proposals for the funding of education. If not fees, then what? A higher graduate tax? Higher income tax across the board?

 

[clippedgull]

Because the debt you come out with is very hard to cope with and is a major put-off. Who wants to be faced with debts of 27 grand at least when they leave Uni?

I haven't really read up on this. But I believe the 'debts' only have to be paid back when the person is in a well paid job?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Because the debt you come out with is very hard to cope with and is a major put-off. Who wants to be faced with debts of 27 grand at least when they leave Uni?

So is the objection to higher tuition fees an objection on psychological grounds rather than the principle of paying more to the cost of your university education?

Personally, I think the cuts to sports in schools is scandalous. However, I'm less won over by the case being put objecting to university tuition fees.