[Albion] Fans facing lengthy bans for racism

[dazzer6666]

Hang on a minute - there’s one thing to chant self-deprecating songs about your own team/fans, we do it with the “you’re too ugly to be gay” number, there’s the other when a song/chant/insult is deliberately provocative and upsets people.

Like Villa fans at the weekend ?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...fans-chanting-racist-song-about-their-players

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[rippleman]

Hang on a minute - there’s one thing to chant self-deprecating songs about your own team/fans, we do it with the “you’re too ugly to be gay” number, there’s the other when a song/chant/insult is deliberately provocative and upsets people.

I thought they had been told to knock that chant on the head? Was I mistaken?

I get the self deprecating chant from 50 / 60 years ago where the demographics were very different today and many, in fact the majority, of Spurs supporters would have been from the local Jewish community.

I wouldn't mind betting that the majority of Spurs fans today are not of the Jewish faith and therefore the Y*** song is not appropriate.

I wasn't wrong!

The World Jewish Congress (WJC), Board of Deputies, Community Security Trust (CST) and the Jewish Leadership Council (JLC) have all called on the club to clamp down on fans using the word to describe themselves in match chants.

 

[blue-shifted]

He was two rows in front of us and was vile.

I think a few people were about to lamp him before the stewards man handled him away

Great to hear it was dealt with at the time

It might be an idea to let the police know you witnessed this in order to hopefully secure a conviction

Out of interest was it a STH?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Hang on a minute - there’s one thing to chant self-deprecating songs about your own team/fans, we do it with the “you’re too ugly to be gay” number, there’s the other when a song/chant/insult is deliberately provocative and upsets people.

Exactly. Whenever someone mention stuff like this there is always someone else who steps up with whataboutery. The trope being that there is no point doing anything about anything (no matter how bad) unless something is done about everything (no matter how trivial). That is what is known technically, by students of philosophy and semantics as a load of old bollocks.

Edit: on the matter of the 'yid' chants, there is the difficulty of steaming in and arresting, what, 20, 50, 100 (?) people. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but the fact it hasn't doesn't mean Brighton and Hove Albion are two faced for picking on one lone gobshite.

If the poster to whom I'm replying (second hand, via the saintly [MENTION=25353]el punal[/MENTION]) had an entirely innocent agenda here, I apologise.

 

[blue-shifted]

The yid stuff is pointless and out of date. There are plenty of other ways for Spurs fans to identify themselves

Any terrace reference to race, religion of sexuality, even if not in a derogatory way is out of date now. Time to move forward.

Still a place for a good swear though, especially at an offending linesman. Just keep it out of the family stand

 

[A1X]

Just cannot get my head round how someone in this day and age thinks they can get away with behaving like this in public.

In my (limited) experience of seeing people like this behave in such a way, alcohol normally makes them think they can. No idea about this example though.

 

[Bracknell_Gull]

What was he doing/saying, out of interest ? Was he drunk ?

Just cannot get my head round how someone in this day and age thinks they can get away with behaving like this in public. There are some severely f*cked up indiviuals on the loose.

The guy who sits in front of me in the North told me that the offending bloke was thrown out for allegedly singing a song about the Korean War and for making monkey chants. I have to add I didn't hear any of this myself, so I am admittedly passing on gossip and unconfirmed speculation.

 

[el punal]

Exactly. Whenever someone mention stuff like this there is always someone else who steps up with whataboutery. The trope being that there is no point doing anything about anything (no matter how bad) unless something is done about everything (no matter how trivial). That is what is known technically, by students of philosophy and semantics as a load of old bollocks.

Edit: on the matter of the 'yid' chants, there is the difficulty of steaming in and arresting, what, 20, 50, 100 (?) people. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but the fact it hasn't doesn't mean Brighton and Hove Albion are two faced for picking on one lone gobshite.

If the poster to whom I'm replying (second hand, via the saintly [MENTION=25353]el punal[/MENTION]) had an entirely innocent agenda here, I apologise.

I may live in Southampton but I’m definitely not “saintly”, no sirree Bob. In fact my wife thinks I’m a bit of a devil. Hell yeah!

 

[dazzer6666]

Or maybe the ones hurling obscene abuse at Bong every time he went near the ball.

That'll be the same ones having a go at him for not clapping the fans, obviously

 

[Dick Swiveller]

That'll be the same ones having a go at him for not clapping the fans, obviously

Think they got bored of calling Marcos Alonso a murderer after an hour. Then perked up when Bong came on as they got to use the word Danny Baker replaces with tugboat every 2 seconds.

 

[blue-shifted]

The guy who sits in front of me in the North told me that the offending bloke was thrown out for allegedly singing a song about the Korean War and for making monkey chants. I have to add I didn't hear any of this myself, so I am admittedly passing on gossip and unconfirmed speculation.

There's a football song about the Korean War?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Kick grasses out of football , who needs to be sitting next to a snitch who might get upset about something you said that they didn't like but wasnt in anyway racist or offensive but they might think it was, bunch of *****
regards
DF

 

[Originunknown]

The most encouraging thing on this is that the stewards actually took some action. My experience of reporting things like bad language and smoking to them has fallen on deaf ears.

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Bad language, are you serious?

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Yep. If I hear any loudmouth soab giving it too large in front of kids I will refer it to a steward. Whilst I expect a level of swearing at matches there is no need for certain words to be used in the earshot of little kids. This probably wouldn’t include the North Stand because if anyone takes their kids in there they know what to expect.

 

[portlock seagull]

Would the Gordon smith song be deemed racist today? The stupid scot ******* was pissed so he missed etc? I never sang it because frankly he’s one of my hero’s and bloody well did score (yes I do realise the chant was / is a term of endearment really but all the same)

 

[portlock seagull]

Yep. If I hear any loudmouth soab giving it too large in front of kids I will refer it to a steward. Whilst I expect a level of swearing at matches there is no need for certain words to be used in the earshot of little kids. This probably wouldn’t include the North Stand because if anyone takes their kids in there they know what to expect.

And there lies the problem. Double standards - even where people have standards! The referees a nincanpoop, the referee’s...

 

[WATFORD zero]

Kick grasses out of football , who needs to be sitting next to a snitch who might get upset about something you said that they didn't like but wasnt in anyway racist or offensive but they might think it was, bunch of *****
regards
DF

Probably the wisest thing you've done in your entire life when you stopped supporting our club some years ago

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Probably the wisest thing you've done in your entire life when you stopped supporting our club some years ago

I bet you've got the snitch line on speed dial
regards
DF

 

[WATFORD zero]

Phew …. I thought [MENTION=15363]Plooks[/MENTION] had reported me to the mods for a moment.

You really shouldn't use the 'mention' function. Some people may think it's stalking

 

[WATFORD zero]

I bet you've got the snitch line on speed dial
regards
DF

Case rests M'lud