Fan Terrorism

[Pavilionaire]

...I've just had a look at the redissue.co.uk Man Utd "fans" website and read the statement made yesterday by the Manchester Education Committee (MEC).

This is all rather alarming, and yet it may well prove to be a very effective tactic. The statement amounts to a personal physical threat against Glazer, his family and "collaborating" United directors and shareholders.

I wonder what NSC thinks about this, in the context of Zamora apparently being warned off a move to Palace because of a death threat received from an Albion fan.

Are these sort of actions an acceptable means to an end?

So far the Albion fans' action in pursuit of Falmer has been nothing short of exemplary. Is it time to take a leaf out of the MEC's book in order to get the right outcome, or is fan terrorism never acceptable?

 

[Bluejuice]

It isn't acceptable.

Ever.

We all talk about our hatred for Archer but we're still not gonna go round his house and beat up his wife.

He f***ed us over and will never be forgiven but two wrongs don't make a right. Once Falmer is our fortress we'll forget about Archer and Bellotti and they will be consigned to Albion history whilst the team march on to greater glory.

Man Utd "fans" have absolutely no idea what it feels like to be truly worried for the future of their club and Glazer is hardly going to see them plummet out of existence.

I personally hope he does take control and the fans kick up such a fuss that the team are docked points and end up finishing behind Everton in the Premiership.

And what would the fans do? Well they'd go and support Chelsea, they're more local anyway.

 

[Parson Henry]

It isn't acceptable.

Ever.

We all talk about our hatred for Archer but we're still not gonna go round his house and beat up his wife.

He f***ed us over and will never be forgiven but two wrongs don't make a right. Once Falmer is our fortress we'll forget about Archer and Bellotti and they will be consigned to Albion history whilst the team march on to greater glory.

Man Utd "fans" have absolutely no idea what it feels like to be truly worried for the future of their club and Glazer is hardly going to see them plummet out of existence.

I personally hope he does take control and the fans kick up such a fuss that the team are docked points and end up finishing behind Everton in the Premiership.



And what would the fans do? Well they'd go and support Chelsea, they're more local anyway.

Agree with the stance but we shall never forget Archer and Belloti!

 

[Jim D]

If we tried pouring acid over Baker's car and issuing threats to LDC/FPC members then I think we'd lose any credibility with Prescott and he'd immediately reject the application.

In MU's case they're trying to scare off a predator and don't need any sympathy from the general public. Perhaps we could have used these tactics against Archer, Bellotti and Stanley - before they took over - but we didn't realise what they were after then.

 

[Brovion]

Zamora - no, it's just criminal activity. Man U - I'm reserving judgment. However Falmer .........

All the democratic processess have been in favour of Falmer; a referendum, the City council and the MPs. If we lose on a technicality then yes, 'fan terrorism' as you put it is indeed right and proper and will in fact be the only option open to us. All those opposed to Falmer; Baker, Cutress, Catt, Carr, the Greens, the Regency society, etc, will become legitimate targets as will their property.


LEGAL NOTE: Of course they won't really become legitimate targets. This poster's views are currently clouded with anger.

 

[Gazwag]

All they will do is make everybody hate ManU even more than they do all ready.

The most their fans have to worry about is which of their 27 strikers they put on the back of their shirts, they couldn't care less about the other 91 clubs

 

[Wozza]

He f***ed us over and will never be forgiven but two wrongs don't make a right.

Three rights make a left though...

 

[Bluejuice]

Agree with the stance but we shall never forget Archer and Belloti!

Maybe not but when we're playing to capacity crowds in the premiership, challenging for European honours, and outsinging Barcelona at the Nou Camp I can tell you Archer will be a long and distant memory for my mind.

Still won't be shopping at Focus though

 

[Pavilionaire]

We all accept that football fans are fickle, so in 10 years time will it really matter to the majority of fans how they saw off Glazer, why Bobby didn't join Palace and how Norman Baker finally saw sense and backed down re Falmer?

Whether fan action will affect the decision re Falmer is an interesting point. Personally, I don't subscribe to the view that acid poured on Prescott's car means a NO to Falmer because without proof he will never be sure it was an Albion fan, it could just as easily be a malicious Palace fan.

 

[Simster]

That first book that showed events at Albion unfolding over the relegation season and then the great escape season featured a bloke who was threatening to kill Archer and was in court as a consequence.

Personally I think it's nutters like these that make arrogant, selfish multi-millionaires think twice about their actions. I don't believe Archer & co would have given a toss about killing a football league club (and its consequences to the community) if they saw a free couple of million lining their pockets as a result. But when some nutter threatens to pour petrol on your wife and set them alight or whatever, it probably causes them to think again.

Doesn't make it right mind you - I'm just glad the nutter was on my side.

 

[Ernest]

Let's face it what might make you stop and think, someone sending you valentine cards and flowers or someone threatening to pour petrol on your wife and set fire to her ?

 

[Bluejuice]

He still f***ed over our club though so arguably it didn't make a blind bit of difference

 

[Vicar!]

Sadly when the process of democracy is blocked and denied, the people have, and history will prove this beyond doubt, the right to consider other more radical strategies.

It is however possible to keep these within the law of the land.

Vicar

 

[Pavilionaire]

So if Prescott eventually says no to Falmer and is then killed in a hit and run incident, and the driver is caught and found to be an Albion fan will anyone really care?

It's very frustrating when fans do things by the book and still get f***ed over. You wonder whether the campaign we have waged will be a factor in the decision or not.

 

[Spiros]

One of the things that has made me proud to be an Albion fan through all of the drama of the last few years is the fact that we haven't resorted to comedy death threats of the kind that the MU 'fans' are using. There has been a lot of protest - most of it legitimate - and we've used innovative and imaginative ways of getting our point across.

The MU fans don't even have a propoer case. The reason that someone like Glazer can pitch up and buy 'their' club is because it is a listed PLC. The club belongs to whoever wants to buy the available shares at the asking price. Their protests about 'our club is not for sale' are a joke - MUFC is for sale every day that the Stock Exchange is open.

I didn't hear many of them moaning when the PLC flotation meant a huge injection of cash into the club which enabled them to start buying top players. It's a bit late to start moaning now.

Clubs in genuine crisis - such as Wrexham, York, etc - I have sympathy for. Man U I most certainly don't. The 'fan terrorism' bit just sums up the crap attitude of their supporters for me.

 

[Easy 10]

One of the things that has made me proud to be an Albion fan through all of the drama of the last few years is the fact that we haven't resorted to comedy death threats of the kind that the MU 'fans' are using. There has been a lot of protest - most of it legitimate - and we've used innovative and imaginative ways of getting our point across.

The MU fans don't even have a propoer case. The reason that someone like Glazer can pitch up and buy 'their' club is because it is a listed PLC. The club belongs to whoever wants to buy the available shares at the asking price. Their protests about 'our club is not for sale' are a joke - MUFC is for sale every day that the Stock Exchange is open.

I didn't hear many of them moaning when the PLC flotation meant a huge injection of cash into the club which enabled them to start buying top players. It's a bit late to start moaning now.

Clubs in genuine crisis - such as Wrexham, York, etc - I have sympathy for. Man U I most certainly don't. The 'fan terrorism' bit just sums up the crap attitude of their supporters for me.

Well said. I concur.

 

[Simster]

But Spiros, that's a bit harsh on the genuine fan who thought going PLC was a good idea so that he could buy a bit of his own club, but didn't foresee someone making a bid with no money of his own - Glazer's bid is a house of cards as he wants to borrow excessively to fund it. The problem is that he is clearly buying into the club to make more money - and we all know how he'll expect to achieve that.

I don't particularly like Man Yoo but it does irritate me that it seems fair game to suggest their fans deserve what's coming to them on the one hand whereas Wrexham / Donny / Cambridge / Brighton fans deserve the full support of the entire football fan community.

Oh, and some people DID sink to this idea of fan terrorism in our dark days, as I mentioned in my previous post on this thread, so you might need to re-assess your pride levels a bit.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Its interesting that the MEC (as they call themselves) obviously have no faith in their board to reject Glazer's approach. I have no idea whether this perception is well-founded or not.

If it is then you can understand someone wanting to take a hard line, after all, Man Utd fans have taken great delight in watching the fall of Leeds Utd but the same could happen to Man Utd with Glazer in charge.

I wonder exactly how far a nutter fan, or group of fans, would go to deter someone like Glazer.

 

[Bluejuice]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are hardly in ruin

 

[Pavilionaire]

Different kettle of fish.

They are small fry in terms of value and global branding when compared alongside Man Utd. He'd be entering the major league but with Championship money.