Falmer:Not sure sure we are winning the war

[Barrel of Fun]

But they are talking about a hearing next JUNE - that's a bloody long hiccup.

That is verging on suffocation. Surely extenuated circumstances could speed up the process due to the length of the appeal etc.

 

[Yorkie]

We aren't going to start building for 12 months anyway and we can still get all the preparation done in the meantime.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

That is true, but the private investors might seek alternative investments, plus Lottery, if other opportunities were to arise

 

[Tooting Gull]

If the LDC are fighting the govt now, maybe Prescott can get the security services involved. Bugged meetings, car brakes sabotaged, houses burgled...I saw it all in Defence of the Realm. Defend any grosser human rights violations on the grounds of national security, you can't have a load of NIMBYS dictating to the democratically elected parliament of the people...

 

[Eddie the Seagull]

Happy birthday Eddie

Cheers buddy - My ruby went down *burp* rather well.

3 years now, 'til the big four-o...........

 

[Ccider]

We aren't going to start building for 12 months anyway and we can still get all the preparation done in the meantime.

Dear Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms money lending/grant body can we have loadsa dosh to build our loverly stadium please?

Yeh - sounds good - got planning permission?

Well, yes and no - it's been approved but now subject to judicial review.

OK - come back when its all sorted then.

 

[Yorkie]

We do have planning permission.

The judicial review has got to prove that the decision was illegal.

 

[The Large One]

That is verging on suffocation. Surely extenuated circumstances could speed up the process due to the length of the appeal etc.

There is something in law in which an interested party can asked for the proceedings to be speeded up. Can't remember what it's called, or how you apply for it, but it does exist.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The " Falmer " campaign has been brilliantly run but I said some time ago and someone else on here has said , the only mistake we made was calling the stadium site Falmer. It is not Falmer , Falmer is on the otherside of the dual carriageway.

If we called it Site A or University Site it would have been won by now and we could all be putting our feet up.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

1. The site is NOT on downland (a valuable and internationally rare habitat which really does need conserving), but is a field which has been in arable production for a century or more, including at least 60 years of intensive industrial farming practices. This has left it the environmental equivalent of a void, a monoculture where only the crop planted grows, of minimal wildlife value either locally, nationally or internationally. It would take generations to return this field to any kind of unimproved chalk grassland. A little forethought would enable considerably more wildlife to live there after the stadium's built than now, frankly.

2. The site is NOT a buffer for the South Downs; that is provided by the extensive arable fields between it and the Downs. Building the stadium on the site will make no difference at all to any future developments of the area.

Well said. This is the sort of info the public needs to know.

Who's got pictures of the stadium plot looking its least attractive? Not hard, I know, but we need to counter the 'idyllic' shots published by the Nimbys. If we circulated a few leaflets with nasty picture of the field and info like that above - would that help?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Well said. This is the sort of info the public needs to know.

Who's got pictures of the stadium plot looking its least attractive? Not hard, I know, but we need to counter the 'idyllic' shots published by the Nimbys. If we circulated a few leaflets with nasty picture of the field and info like that above - would that help?

Better still some more video clips with the rumbling of traffic in the background and during rush hour with many trains passing by....

 

[perseus]

On a dull, technical note, there are two core environmental arguments that could be levelled against the Falmer stadium:

1. It is encroaching on the South Downs and will have a detrimental effect on the AONB and/or the wildlife habitats thereof;

2. It is a buffer site that protects the South Downs from further development.

Both arguments are flawed:

1. The site is NOT on downland (a valuable and internationally rare habitat which really does need conserving), but is a field which has been in arable production for a century or more, including at least 60 years of intensive industrial farming practices. This has left it the environmental equivalent of a void, a monoculture where only the crop planted grows, of minimal wildlife value either locally, nationally or internationally. It would take generations to return this field to any kind of unimproved chalk grassland. A little forethought would enable considerably more wildlife to live there after the stadium's built than now, frankly.

2. The site is NOT a buffer for the South Downs; that is provided by the extensive arable fields between it and the Downs. Building the stadium on the site will make no difference at all to any future developments of the area.

Sorry to bang on about this, but I thought people might find it useful to be prepared in case anybody comes up with the usual objections about the environmental impact of the stadium development. Hope this helps!

Good post. This is the truth and any Downsman worth his salt would be able to recognise what the land is in about two seconds. There is enough of it (ploughed up downland) around where the downs herbland was ploughed up. The trouble is there is so little genuine downland left that they don't know what it looks like.

The land is full of flints as well as being on a slope and of minimal fertility. Not only the that the brow of the hill obscurs the view down into the dip.

Yes, and it takes over a century for downland to be restored once it is ploughed up.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Re: Re: Falmer:Not sure sure we are winning the war

Nah, we've won the war. If Lewes want to spend the rest of their lives like Japanese serviceman still fighting the Allies in deep jungle circa 1950s, let 'em to De Vecchi

There you go Gaffer ( not dave)

LI has just set right all those doubters you have spoken to in Seaford. Bugger the arguments and concerns they may have genuine or not, just give them the old 2 fingers

 

[perseus]

PS If those clowns that are in charge of the downs right now wanted to spend any money collected wisely, they could do something about the waste land (not ploughed up) immediately to the east of Village Way (other side of the downs road).

Nobody wants to build on it. Plenty of better places to build. They could use the money to make it a Country Park as a tourist attraction and do something positive instead of bleating about like sheep.

 

[Shizuoka Dolphin]

It's not about the stadium or whether it should or shouldn't be built now. It is about whether the decision is legally flawed. Unfortunately many members of the public still fail to get to grips with this.

Totally. I think we need to write it in the sky with planes every morning until the message gets through...

 

[Caveman]

If I did a magical ran dance and Lewes gets flooded again, I hope they are ready for the back lash?

 

[Lammy]

The trouble is all the images of 'Falmer' don't show the true picture. For a start the vast majority of the stadium is going to be build on Brighton University site. The most major thing going on near Falmer is road improvements.

 

[looney]

This is just a hiccup.

We have won and there's nothing LDC can do about it except to make fools of themselves and waste our money.

To be honest i find this sort of arrogance a bit worrying, I dont think its as clear cut as some on here beleive.

I also did not like the slating of the Falmer residents after prescots decision. Its things like that that motivate opponenets.

I think to many people here live in a goldfish bowl. I cant be the only one who sees it like this surely?

 

[Simster]

I tend to agree with you on this point, looney. i said at the time that I was unhappy with the nimby slating and I stand by that.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

We have already won the war. There not fighting us there fighting the goverment

What he said, apart from the incorrect spelling of "they're"