Falmer Decision (message from Nic)

[Lord Bracknell]

Tuesday is good with me

Is it a YES with no conditions then Yorkie/OTLW?

As far as I know.

That is certainly not going to be the case. There will be lots of conditions. There always are with major planning applications.

This won't come as a surprise to the Club.

One of the conditions will be that the Albion won't be allowed to start building until the finance is in place to ensure that the project will be completed. That's pretty much standard for all planning applications. Otherwise half of Britain would be covered with half-finished buildings.

There will be other conditions relating to transport, noise, archaeology, the environment, frequency of use for concerts, bats - and all the other stuff that was discussed at the Inquiries.

 

[Beach Hut]

the environment, frequency of use for concerts, bats -

Err...what will bats use the stadium for.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Err...what will bats use the stadium for.

To make a nest.

 

[chez]

That is certainly not going to be the case. There will be lots of conditions. There always are with major planning applications.

This won't come as a surprise to the Club.

One of the conditions will be that the Albion won't be allowed to start building until the finance is in place to ensure that the project will be completed. That's pretty much standard for all planning applications. Otherwise half of Britain would be covered with half-finished buildings.

There will be other conditions relating to transport, noise, archaeology, the environment, frequency of use for concerts, bats - and all the other stuff that was discussed at the Inquiries.

And that could take how long? Difficult question I know.

 

[Bozza]

As far as I know.

Where did this news come from Yorkie?

 

[Race]

To make a nest.

Kev, you do make me laugh

 

[Bozza]

Err...what will bats use the stadium for.

They'll play a gig, silly... http://www.i94bar.com/gigreviews/bats.html

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

Err...what will bats use the stadium for.

And to avoid collision with vehicles?

 

[Yorkie]

Where did this news come from Yorkie?

A phone call from Nic following a phone call to him from his source.
All he was told was a straight yes.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

Any chance of a London meet up?

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Kev, you do make me laugh

Thanks Race.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Here's a typical set of planning conditions attached to one of Prescott's decisions (interestingly, in a case for a Sports development where he disagreed with a Planning Inspector's recommendation to say NO):-

11. Accordingly, and for the reasons given above and in his letter of 22 June 2005, the Secretary of State hereby disagrees with the Inspector's conclusions and grants planning permission for a building to comprise changing rooms/showers, small indoor sports hall and kitchen, together with children's play area, sports field, parking for 60 cars together with access from Stoke Poges Lane, for use in association with adjoining playing fields, at land to the north of Stoke Poges Lane, Slough, SL1 3LW, subject to the following conditions:

* The development hereby permitted shall begin before the expiration of five years from the date of this decision.

* The development hereby permitted shall not be carried out except in complete accordance with the details shown on the submitted plans, numbered SB/03/06/1A dated January 2003 and SB/03/06/02 dated January 2003.

* No development shall take place until samples of the materials to be used in the construction of the external surfaces of the development hereby permitted have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority. Development shall be carried out in accordance with the approved details.

* The means of access, including any alterations to existing points of access between the application point and the highway, shall be formed, laid out and constructed in accordance with specifications and with sight lines as submitted in further details to be approved by the local planning authority prior to the commencement of the development.

* No development shall be commenced until visibility splays of 4.5 metres by 60 metres have been provided at the junction with the public highway. The visibility splays shall thereafter be kept free of all obstruction higher than 900mm above the adjoining carriageway level.

* The vehicular access to the development shall be constructed to a structural capacity suitable to carry an 11-ton axle load and shall be made available at all times for service vehicles.

* No part of the development shall be used until space has been laid out within the site for 60 cars to be parked, including a minimum if 3 parking spaces for use by disabled persons, in accordance with details which have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority before development commences.

* No part of the development shall be used until a green travel plan, to include management of traffic on the 12 days on which social use of the building is permitted, has been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority. It should set out a five year plan and be implemented within three months of receipt of the written approval. Further reviews shall be submitted every five years subsequent to the date the travel plan is first approved.

* No part of the development shall be used until secure bicycle parking has been provided on site in accordance with the Council's guidelines approved in 1998. Details of the siting and appearance of the bicycle parking shall be submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority prior to the completion of the development. The approved cycle parking shall be permanently retained thereafter.

* The development hereby approved shall not commence until details of access arrangements for construction traffic and delivery vehicles have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority. Sufficient parking for the vehicles of construction site staff and delivery vehicles shall be made available within the site before development commences. No construction traffic shall be parked on the public highway.

* The development hereby approved shall not commence until details of servicing arrangements including vehicle turning for coaches and service vehicles, including refuse vehicles, have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. Development shall be carried out in accordance with the approved details.

* Construction work shall not be carried out outside the hours of 08:00 and 18:00 on Monday to Friday, 08:00 to 13:00 on Saturdays and at no time on Sundays or Bank Holidays.

* No part of the development shall be used until details of external lighting have been submitted to and approved by the local planning authority. Lighting shall be provided in accordance with the approved details.

* No development shall take place until full details of soft landscape works and a tree planting scheme have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority and these works shall be carried out as approved before the building is occupied or during the first available planting season thereafter. These details shall include trees and shrubs to be retained and/or removed and the type, density, position and planting heights of new trees and shrubs, together with the boundary treatment. In the event of loss by death or any other means, any such planting shall be replaced and maintained permanently thereafter.

* No part of the sports centre as hereby approved shall be used between 22:00 in the evening and 09:00 the following day.

* No soakaways shall be constructed such that they penetrate the water table and soakaways shall not in any event exceed a depth of 3 metres below existing ground level.

* Surface water control measures shall be carried out in accordance with details which shall have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority before development commences.

* The machinery, plant or equipment installed or operated in connection with the implementation of this permission shall be so enclosed and/or attenuated that noise from the site does not at any time increase the ambient equivalent noise level when the machinery, plant or equipment is in use measured according to BS.4142:1997 at any adjoining or nearby premises.

* No development shall take place until details of safety measures in conformity with the Grand National Archery Society's up to date guidelines to be provided in connection with the archery range, including fencing and netting, have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority. Such guidelines shall be put into practice at all times that the archery ground is in use, but no fencing/ netting shall remain in place at any time when the archery ground is not being used.

* Notwithstanding Class B to Part 4 of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995, no tents, marquees or other classes of temporary structures or buildings shall be erected on any part of the application site unless first approved in writing by the local planning authority.




This was a relatively small development in Slough. There will be lots more conditions for a 22,000 seater stadium in an AONB.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

Blimey!who has to read through all that crap

 

[chez]

In the above case most of what was written as I understand it are conditions. In other words rules to adhere to rather than conditions that will hold up the construction. So not really a bad thing and certainly not as ominous as it looks.

Am I right there LB, or way off the mark?

 

[Easy 10]

Ahhh bollocks...just bring the conditions with you along to the Albert on Saturday Lord B, and we'll sit at the bar and pick through em'

 

[Lord Bracknell]

In the above case most of what was written as I understand it are conditions. In other words rules to adhere to rather than conditions that will hold up the construction. So not really a bad thing and certainly not as ominous as it looks.

Am I right there LB, or way off the mark?

Quite right.

Most of the conditions that will be attached to the Albion's stadium decision will already have been discussed at the Inquiry. The Albion have already signed agreements with the Universities and the City Council that will implement some of them.

That won't stop Prescott listing them as things that he will insist on.

But I guess there will be loads of people on NSC unnecessarily whinging on about them.

 

[Starry]

Blimey!who has to read through all that crap

I just did and I'm not even a Brighton fan!

Seriously, made up for you guys! I hope that on Tuesday/Wednesday you get the news you deserve and can look forward to a future with a proper ground where you can compete on an even keel with the rest of us.

 

[Easy 10]

Thanks Starry.

 

[Halftime Oranges]

 

[Brixtaan]

Perhaps we should start a "thread of thanks" after the announcement to all the movers and shakers?

Good idea, a full listing of who did what, and their user names.