[Albion] Fab out?

[Hometownglory]

Amazing how the poll swings significantly with a drubbing. Understandable though!

That was more than a drubbing. It was a humiliation on the club. Losing 4-5 can happen when a Prem side is on it and your team is having a bad day. However, Forest didnt have to get out of second gear, majority of the goals were our own doing as per, through tactics, lineup and individual mistakes. He slouched back in his seat and let a young Jack get torn a new one. Everyone could see what was going to happen prior and he says he'd do it again...
It was a total embarrassment and those fans that endured it until the bitter end deserve the upmost respect (except from Fab who apparently didn't bother to acknowledge them).

 

[peterward]

Indeed - it looks like Fab has decided to put his foot down. Leaving Minteh out of the starting lineup last week (which quite plausibly cost us the game), and possibly doing something similar with Baleba and Ayari yesterday (we probably won’t get to know the full story).
These are all very young guys and it may be that their indiscretions are being punished in a way that impacts our performances in the short term, but hopefully in the medium term makes sense.
(Could also add Enciso going on loan??)

Enciso going on loan isn't so surprising.

This season he's had enough opportunities in the starting 11 and had often gone one too many or run into people. For whatever reason, he doesn't quite look as good on the ball as seasons past.

So that one makes sense and hopefully with a run of games we can welcome back old Enciso again.

 

[amexer]

Still hope he puts it right but there have been concerns all season. Under Potter and DeZerbi we were on front foot most of time but,didnt take chances but got few lucky results.Everton
So different this season as got several fortunate results that covered over cracks. Only have to look at 3 wins against Everton Spurs and City. Everton missed 2 chances in first 15mins and against Spurs and City could have been 4 down at half time.
I call playing an away league game with one young MFer and 5 forwards as stupid and find it hard to understand how his staff didnt talk him out of it.
Early results have kept us out of trouble but so often we have seen just 3 of our defenders facing 3 attackers because rest are swanning forward

 

[Justice]

Weeks ago I said to my lads Ipswich at home was his big test. If we had thumped them by 3 or 4 none of the other bottom clubs would fancy a game at the Amex.
We struggled against them and then they all fancied a point at the Amex and got one.
I had seen enough from Fab after the Southampton game getting out thought and out played by the worse team to grace the PL.
Apart from the odd win against a championship side, lowly Ipswich and Onana effectively killing the game at OT we’ve been shit ever since.

 

[oldboyroy]

Just read a Gabby Agbonlahor article about Fabian. Thinks he'll have them all in today for training as punishment for yesterday. Goes on to say that with all that talent on the pitch, its unforgiveable to lose by 7 to Forest!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Not sure which thread to use but this will do. Yesterday I was angry, annoyed and slightly depressed for a while. Eventually it morphed into one of those trips where everything goes wrong and I fell into gallows humour. Self deprecating songs and chatting to other teams’ fans.

This morning I’ve taken the dog for a long walk to clear my head and concluded that I’m mostly disappointed. Disappointed that our club would treat its loyalist fans to that shitshow. Disappointed that we’ve gone backwards. Trust the process? I no longer know what it is.

Forest last season is one of my favourite aways ever. This season probably my worst. Worse than anything in the gory years when we didn’t expect to compete. And the difference was last season we had a tactical and charismatic coach and players prepared to fight for the shirt till they expired. As opposed to that tactically clueless rubbish conducted by an absentee schoolboy and acted out by a squad seemingly at war. Last season we ended with 10 men but it looked like we had 12. Yesterday we played as if we had about 8.

The problem is, of course, that if we did shift Fab out we’d just get another experimental yes man and start the whole thing over again.

 

[Reddleman]

When Alex Ferguson first took over at Man U the results weren't very good initially, but the board kept faith and he ended up winning countless titles and doing the treble.

Alex Ferguson had won the Scottish first division and a European trophy with Aberdeen before getting the job. FH got St Pauli promoted from second tier in Germany. Not exactly comparable is it.

 

[oldboyroy]

Weeks ago I said to my lads Ipswich at home was his big test. If we had thumped them by 3 or 4 none of the other bottom clubs would fancy a game at the Amex.
We struggled against them and then they all fancied a point at the Amex and got one.
I had seen enough from Fab after the Southampton game getting out thought and out played by the worse team to grace the PL.
Apart from the odd win against a championship side, lowly Ipswich and Onana effectively killing the game at OT we’ve been shit ever since.

The Ipswich that we dominated for periods but they were the closest to scoring and winning the game and Saints taking us apart 2nd half and would've won but for dodgy VAR.

 

[Jim in the West]

Weeks ago I said to my lads Ipswich at home was his big test. If we had thumped them by 3 or 4 none of the other bottom clubs would fancy a game at the Amex.
We struggled against them and then they all fancied a point at the Amex and got one.
I had seen enough from Fab after the Southampton game getting out thought and out played by the worse team to grace the PL.
Apart from the odd win against a championship side, lowly Ipswich and Onana effectively killing the game at OT we’ve been shit ever since.

I think you might be forgetting Villa and Arsenal. And I think we pretty much out-played United. Whilst Ipswich are in the bottom three, they'd just beaten Chelsea at home, so were on a high....in the second half of that game we hardly let them get out of their own half. I'm not saying everything is rosy, but it's easy to get things out of perspective when we've just lost 7-0.

 

[trueblue]

Ok, lets compare him to Iraola at Bournemouth - He had a much worse start at Bournemouth than Hurzeler has had with us. Bournemouth stuck with him and its paid off

He also had a distinct and coherent style of play, a reasonable managerial pedigree and had worked under some excellent bosses - including Bielsa when Athletic Bilbao were brilliant. I know a few Bournemouth fans and they were all really happy with what they were seeing from Iraola even during the sticky start. He is also, by all accounts, a really nice bloke with a warm personality.

 

[Mancgull]

I know he’s young but many young people can be young and mature. Dunk’s post match comments yesterday were from the heart and mature.
What I see from FH is moments of petulance mixed amongst periods of sitting down motionless, almost as if he is having to control himself. Very little tactical interaction.
The yellow and red cards for him reflect his petulance and you can see why he probably has fallings out with players because of these moments. It is a lack of experience but if he doesn’t change soon the fall out with players will become irreversible.
Ironically a similar trait was seen with RDZ but he had the backs of the players which FH doesn’t seem to.

 

[The Fits]

What are people actually seeing in this guy? Is it just because he’s one of Tony’s guys? Blind loyalty to our leader?
Because I am really struggling to see any real potential.
Motivation? Tactics? Style of play? Maybe he just comes across well? What is it?

 

[Auckland seagull]

I was talking to a player's spouse on the train back down. She described him as a big baby and bipolar. Essentially he has to win all the time or he has a temper tantrum for a bit but then calms down and goes into Potter "take the positives" mode. Add in a couple of other things she said and I am even more in the out camp than I was at full time.

So he's probably a good match with most other coaches involved with top level sport. Arrogance, tantrums, ego, bad temper and bipolarity (is that a word?), seems to be part of the job description.

 

[Clive Walker]

What are people actually seeing in this guy? Is it just because he’s one of Tony’s guys? Blind loyalty to our leader?
Because I am really struggling to see any real potential.
Motivation? Tactics? Style of play? Maybe he just comes across well? What is it?

This. We need a progressive manager like the one we sacked last year.

 

[Reddleman]

We've been battered playing away at the team in 3rd place, so it's back to the wins were luck or fortunate, and the games we lost were entirely the fault the FH. We're still 10th and still in the FA Cup, but the season is over, ruined.

In late November you were saying “we’re second” what are you moaning about, then in December it’s was “we’re fifth” what you moaning about, then it was “we are just a few points off the European places” now it’s we’re tenth and still in the cup.

By the end of today I suspect we will be in the bottom half off the table and by next weekend I am fairly sure we will also be out the FA Cup.

This ‘nothing to see here’ rhetoric doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny when we can all see the trend.

 

[Littlemo]

I think I am off the fence and more Fab out now.

I feel sorry for him a bit as actually, I think we have a really poor squad. Far too many kids that need too much work, too many sick notes, overly stacked on attacking players, and not enough defensive options. We didn’t address the issues at fullback. Yes these are players for the future but we need to also buy players for now, not ones that need 5 months to settle into a new league etc. It’s not that surprising that Rutter looks the best of the bunch given his experience from Leeds.

That said even the basics don’t look there sometimes and that’s completely down to coaching. Sometimes players don’t look like they know their jobs, who is marking who etc, if Fab has a system we probably should be seeing it more clearly by now. His in-game management is questionable at times.

I think for me he’s more a victim of circumstance, the wrong guy at the wrong time for where we are just now. We just have far too much in the way of young, inexperienced people and have to rectify that. You can have a young coach, or you can have a lot of young players, to me you can’t have both. Someone has to have experience there somewhere and a couple of old head players isn’t enough. The best way to rectify it is by getting in a more experienced manager.

 

[oldboyroy]

Not sure which thread to use but this will do. Yesterday I was angry, annoyed and slightly depressed for a while. Eventually it morphed into one of those trips where everything goes wrong and I fell into gallows humour. Self deprecating songs and chatting to other teams’ fans.

This morning I’ve taken the dog for a long walk to clear my head and concluded that I’m mostly disappointed. Disappointed that our club would treat its loyalist fans to that shitshow. Disappointed that we’ve gone backwards. Trust the process? I no longer know what it is.

Forest last season is one of my favourite aways ever. This season probably my worst. Worse than anything in the gory years when we didn’t expect to compete. And the difference was we had a tactical and charismatic coach and players prepared to fight for the shirt till they expired. As opposed to that tactically clueless rubbish conducted by an absentee schoolboy and acted out by a squad seemingly at war. Last season we ended with 10 men but it looked like we had 12. Yesterday we played as if we had about 8.

The problem is, of course, that if we did shift Fab out we’d just get another experimental yes man and start the whole thing over again.

Motd highlights the commentator said it was harsh when we went 2 down and he was right. 3 down and Welbz crossbar hit bouncing not quite over the line was unlucky. It was the last half hour that we totally disintegrated which I suppose does happen occasionally. Players heads drop and things go from bad to worse! The response is how things will be judged from now I think. If Chelsea hammer us in cup and league (which they are capable of), and we capitulate again then it will turn toxic at the Amex.

 

[Justice]

The Ipswich that we dominated for periods but they were the closest to scoring and winning the game and Saints taking us apart 2nd half and would've won but for dodgy VAR.

Yep

 

[UnhingedSeagull94]

Potter's minerals were talc.

RDZ didn't have the right apatite.

Fab isn't the diamond we all hoped he would be.


Edit...
(It's a corundum where we go next)

Most on here want to criticise Potter for all the emotional intelligence stuff and now want to criticise Hurzeler for being tough and passionate and whatever. He sounds pretty similar to RDZ in personality tbh, but all this character assassination on here from gossip and hearsay is getting way out of hand.

He is nothing like RDZ. Never mention the 2 in the same breath. De Zerbi had the players and the supporters on side until the end, and having met him twice, was a lovely bloke who had time for people.

 

[The Fits]

I think I am off the fence and more Fab out now.

I feel sorry for him a bit as actually, I think we have a really poor squad. Far too many kids that need too much work, too many sick notes, overly stacked on attacking players, and not enough defensive options. We didn’t address the issues at fullback. Yes these are players for the future but we need to also buy players for now, not ones that need 5 months to settle into a new league etc. It’s not that surprising that Rutter looks the best of the bunch given his experience from Leeds.

That said even the basics don’t look there sometimes and that’s completely down to coaching. Sometimes players don’t look like they know their jobs, who is marking who etc, if Fab has a system we probably should be seeing it more clearly by now. His in-game management is questionable at times.

I think for me he’s more a victim of circumstance, the wrong guy at the wrong time for where we are just now. We just have far too much in the way of young, inexperienced people and have to rectify that. You can have a young coach, or you can have a lot of young players, to me you can’t have both. Someone has to have experience there somewhere and a couple of old head players isn’t enough. The best way to rectify it is by getting in a more experienced manager.

Couldn’t agree more. Especially with your last paragraph.