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Cordwainer

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Exactly and Gruda was in a position to receive a defence splitting pass on a few occasions and was ignored as the midfield and defence chose to go backwards or sideways. Yet Gruda gets slagged off because he only received the ball when a player had no other options and he was normally played into a dead end.

I lost count of the number of times he held his arm up to alert the player with the ball, who chose the safe option of backwards or sideways every time,
Quite. As has been said numerous times not helped by JV having a poor game…in the first half BG received the ball a few times in front of us in the SW corner but because he had so many Everton players to beat he played the safe option..looks like he’s much better on the ball when receiving it in motion and obviously with space to move into rather than from a static start..much like when Goodnight was first played out wide I think.
 




tstanbur

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Sep 16, 2011
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I have no idea if there has been a fall out with some of the players as some say but we certainly don't play with a smile on the players faces these days!
There seems little joy or cohesion in the team at the moment!
The home tactics are baffling and i still have no idea what our plan A. Plan B tends to be get 3 subs on that generally perks the team up!
Not sure i can name one player that has progressed under FH but can think of a handful who have gone backwards!
Completely reactionary post.

You wouldn’t have said that before yesterday after three good wins in a row and lots of happy smiling faces all round.

Yesterday was terrible, against an anti-football team that frustrated us for 90 mins. Nothing to smile about.

Typically it was my kids’ first ever competitive game, at least they enjoyed the bus rides and the £6 sausage rolls!
 
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TottonSeagull

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Mar 5, 2011
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Totton (Nr Southampton)
Completely reactionary post.

You wouldn’t have said that before yesterday after three good wins in a row and lots of happy smiling faces all round.
Not at all. I went to all 3 away games last week. I don't think we played that well at Ipswich but got a win and then a decent 2nd half against very poor Utd side.
I missed the Man City game so haven't seen us win at home since Oct 6!
I have said before yesterday that there is something up!
Nothing to with being reactionary!
 


tstanbur

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Sep 16, 2011
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Not at all. I went to all 3 away games last week. I don't think we played that well at Ipswich but got a win and then a decent 2nd half against very poor Utd side.
I missed the Man City game so haven't seen us win at home since Oct 6!
I have said before yesterday that there is something up!
Nothing to with being reactionary!
And the players all looked very happy with each other during those wins.
 






Weststander

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On Iraola: Transfermarkt reckons he spent roughly £91 million less than Hurzeler in his first season and has splurged about £10.5m less than him during his time at Bourneo.

He inherited an amazing forward line, some of whom were bought in a big spend one January. All with immense pace.
 


TottonSeagull

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Completely reactionary post.

You wouldn’t have said that before yesterday after three good wins in a row and lots of happy smiling faces all round.

Yesterday was terrible, against an anti-football team that frustrated us for 90 mins. Nothing to smile about.

Typically it was my kids’ first ever competitive game, at least they enjoyed the bus rides and the £6 sausage rolls!
I see you have added more!
Everton did nothing we didn't do back in the Hughton days at Wolves and other away games!
We all knew they were coming to park the bus BUT it was down to FH and his staff to work out a game plan to counter that! Playing at a snails pace was not it!
Hope the kids enjoyed their day! I still remember first game my Dad took us to in Aug 1978 against Cambridge......we lost 0-2!🤦🏼‍♂️
 


Dave the OAP

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I can only assume he sees more in gruder than Adringa in training as we play better with two out and out wingers, and when we play with gruder as a winger like yesterday he can’t take players on with pace, whereas Adringer can

I was baffled when minteh and rutter were not in the starting line up ( i know a bout bad boy minteh) but to start gruder in front of adringa was just odd!

oh and when we needed to up it and give the ball to the ball players up front and midfield, we seemed to be so happy to give it to dunk….veltman…dunk…veltman…..verbruugen. And repeat!
 




jackalbion

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Aug 30, 2011
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But we’ve also acquired a lot of players for £200M with not much experience and all very young. No one is really in the prime of their career. All from leagues a long way off the PL as well. This season was very much a bedding in season for me. The big risk is we lose Pedro and Baleba in the summer and back to square one
I think this is a decision the club need to make, do we keep the players and crack on, or do we sell for profit. I respect what the club do to keep us sustainable, but the reality is if we sell we are never going to consistently stay in that top 6.
 




Thunder Bolt

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Did we create lots? We had stacks of possession on the edge of their box but didn't create hardly any clear chances. They snuffed us out at everything.
16 shots is creativity. I said we only had one on target, so couldn’t finish.
 




Thunder Bolt

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We have different interpretations of knee jerk. To me, it’s reacting without thinking something through. I have thought through my reactions to yesterday and there is nothing knee jerk about having the opinion that the team underperformed all over the pitch as did the coaching staff tactics and set up. It is an opinion, nothing more. You were happy with what you saw, fair enough.

Your comment and others too, suggest to me, that because an opinion differs to yours it’s “knee jerk”. A little patronising and condescending imo

I don’t care that we had three good results previously, just makes yesterday even more annoying :shrug:
Knee jerk is reacting to the latest incident (game) without looking at the overall picture.

You call it patronising and condescending because you don’t like what I post. That’s just your perception.
 




zefarelly

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All of this.
Dunk was awful yesterday, he seems to need 3 touches before he does anything. If he wasn’t the player he is for I think he’d be getting a bit of stick now, but he is and deserves respect. JPvH needs a different partner next season though IMO.
I agree . . . I don't suppose were in the majority, but we're going backwards with Dunk now. He's never been the sharpest tool in the box and he's not as quick as he was, which was never fast. I'd have rather seen Webster or Igor start yesterday. Both can carry the ball which may have drawn an Everton player or two in and created some space. Or at least played the ball forward before sunset.
 




GloryDays

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Jul 5, 2011
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Exactly and Gruda was in a position to receive a defence splitting pass on a few occasions and was ignored as the midfield and defence chose to go backwards or sideways. Yet Gruda gets slagged off because he only received the ball when a player had no other options and he was normally played into a dead end.

I lost count of the number of times he held his arm up to alert the player with the ball, who chose the safe option of backwards or sideways every time,
Gruda is class and needs some time. He looks like he has a lot of actual potential.
 


Flounce

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Knee jerk is reacting to the latest incident (game) without looking at the overall picture.

You call it patronising and condescending because you don’t like what I post. That’s just your perception.
There you go again, I HAVE looked at the overall picture and yesterday was an unacceptable performance, regardless of what went before! They happen I know but that doesn’t change the fact that it was. Absolutely nothing knee jerk about it.

I am not calling for anyone’s head, slagging off individual players or suggesting we get shot of anybody, just calling out the performance of pretty well everybody involved. In fact I have defended Gruda who quite a few think of as a waste of space.

Anyway it’s done now, we move on to the next one. We’ll just have to disagree on yesterday
 
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WATFORD zero

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I think this is a decision the club need to make, do we keep the players and crack on, or do we sell for profit. I respect what the club do to keep us sustainable, but the reality is if we sell we are never going to consistently stay in that top 6.

But it's this model of buying young and selling that has got us into the upper half of the Premier. As we progress we can expect to hold onto players a little longer and pay a bit more, but we can't and will never be able to compete financially with the top 6, so we have to find another way :shrug:

Maybe this is as far as we can go and we've hit Gus's 'ceiling', a dozen years later than he thought, but I suspect TB thinks differently. I thought upper Championship, occasional forage into the Premier was our limit :facepalm:
 
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Flounce

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But it's this model of buying young and selling that has got us into the upper half of the Premier. As we progress we can expect to hold onto players a little longer and pay a bit more, but we can't and will never be able to compete financially with the top 6, so we have to find another way :shrug:
I just hope Bournemouth are setting themselves up as the favourites for some Summer time cherry picking rather than us for a change. Every cloud….
 




The Fits

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Jun 29, 2020
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Yes, and Bournemouth haven't been stripped apart wholesale like us, but I expect that to change in the Summer.
Yup Bournemouth will become a Brighton mk2. Teams will buy their players and take their managers. And they will treat them with a lot more respect during matches. You’d imagine they’ll lose at least one of their CBs, their left back, probably Semenyo this summer. Maybe even the manager. So they will start facing the challenges we do.
 


Justice

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Jun 21, 2012
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After 23 games tactics haven’t improved. What are they? We don’t particularly suck in the opposition and break the lines. We are so slow in transition pressing is half arsed yesterday was a complete mess.
What are we waiting for with this manager? There is no clear direction.
In my opinion he wanted to make the stupidly high line work until senior players rebelled after Chelsea.
We go into each game with no clear identity and sadly not a lot of fight.
 


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