[Football] FA defends use of VAR at only nine of 32 third-round Cup ties

[PeakGull]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/06/fa-cup-defends-var-nine-of-32-third-round-ties

 

[Springal]

Makes sense. There is a considerable cost to implement it - who would pay?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I don’t think it really matters. It’s either VAR for both teams or no VAR for both teams so there is consistency. There will be decisions with which people disagree under both scenarios so ultimately it makes little difference.

 

[Pavilionaire]

So no VAR at our match at The Hawthorns, even though as a former Prem club West Brom have all the tech installed.

It will be interesting if a non-Prem side get a home draw in the quarter-finals, with no VAR in operation and the potential shitstorm that might ensue.

 

[SAC]

Makes sense to use it if a ground has it but not if it is too costly for non PL teams.

 

[pasty]

It will be interesting if a non-Prem side get a home draw in the quarter-finals, with no VAR in operation and the potential shitstorm that might ensue.

If I remember correctly, Man City might not have beaten Swansea in the quarter final 2019 had VAR been in use. Dodgy pen to equalise, and their winning goal would more than likely have been ruled offside by VAR. We could/should have been playing Swansea in the semi's

 

[B-right-on]

Eventually VAR will be in most of the league games I think. But it's all about the money of course.

VAR has a lot of critics and rightly so, but I think football is better with it. Needs speeding up and there will still be contentious decisions, but it will improve over time.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Shouldn’t have it in the cup at all unless it’s at every ground from third round.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

So no VAR at our match at The Hawthorns, even though as a former Prem club West Brom have all the tech installed.

It will be interesting if a non-Prem side get a home draw in the quarter-finals, with no VAR in operation and the potential shitstorm that might ensue.

I'd imagine that WBA have all of the infrastructure in place, to install the VAR cameras, but none of the actual cameras.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Shouldn’t have it in the cup at all unless it’s at every ground from third round.

What about PL referees? Is it fair that some games have PL referees while others don't? On the assumption that having VAR is better than not having it (that's a different discussion altogether), I don't see how you improve the competition by deliberately reducing the quality of refereeing in some games.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

What about PL referees? Is it fair that some games have PL referees while others don't? On the assumption that having VAR is better than not having it (that's a different discussion altogether), I don't see how you improve the competition by deliberately reducing the quality of refereeing in some games.

You need a ref for the game to go ahead

It’s not fair you could be knocked out by VAR in a game in the same round you can’t.

 

[dsr-burnley]

You need a ref for the game to go ahead

It’s not fair you could be knocked out by VAR in a game in the same round you can’t.

I don't get that at all. Are you saying that if a Huddersfield score an offside goal tomorrow and the linesman misses it, it would be unfair to disallow it?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I don't get that at all. Are you saying that if a Huddersfield score an offside goal tomorrow and the linesman misses it, it would be unfair to disallow it?

I am saying you need the same rules for everyone.

 

[Swansman]

So no VAR at our match at The Hawthorns, even though as a former Prem club West Brom have all the tech installed.

It will be interesting if a non-Prem side get a home draw in the quarter-finals, with no VAR in operation and the potential shitstorm that might ensue.

Like this game in GPs Swansea season?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta4o3VDi5vs

The penalty at 3 minutes would never have been a penalty with VAR and neither would Agueros winning goal from offside position... dont remember any shitstorm however.

 

[Hotchilidog]

If you cannot VAR in every game you should have it at none at all. You cannot have games in the same competition being played under different regulatory conditions determined by an arbitrary measure it makes no sense at all.

 

[dsr-burnley]

If you cannot VAR in every game you should have it at none at all. You cannot have games in the same competition being played under different regulatory conditions determined by an arbitrary measure it makes no sense at all.

Why not? We accept different weather, different sizes of pitch, different floodlights, different referees and linesmen, different qualities of pitch. Why not different TV cameras? As long as the game is fair between the two sides, then let it be refereed as well as it can be. Don't introduce deliberate mistakes in WBA v Brighton just in case those mistakes might happen in Hartlepool v Wimbledon.

It's a cup tie, and each game is designed to determine the better side of two. There is no advantage or disadvantage to any other team in any other game if mistakes are avoided in one.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Why not? We accept different weather, different sizes of pitch, different floodlights, different referees and linesmen, different qualities of pitch. Why not different TV cameras? As long as the game is fair between the two sides, then let it be refereed as well as it can be. Don't introduce deliberate mistakes in WBA v Brighton just in case those mistakes might happen in Hartlepool v Wimbledon.

It's a cup tie, and each game is designed to determine the better side of two. There is no advantage or disadvantage to any other team in any other game if mistakes are avoided in one.

But it's the same competition. Two referees can make exactly the same mistake, but in the non-VAT match that mistake could be decisive.

 

[dsr-burnley]

But it's the same competition. Two referees can make exactly the same mistake, but in the non-VAT match that mistake could be decisive.

I don't see any advantage in deliberately reducing the quality of refereeing to the standard of the lowest, especially in a cup competition where each match has absolutely zero effect on all the others. We'll just have to agree to differ.

 

[Napper]

Would be interesting if they had an unofficial rule that VAR would not be used in prem games if both teams agreed.

Wonder how many games wouldn't have it.








None if the fans were to choose

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Eventually VAR will be in most of the league games I think. But it's all about the money of course.

VAR has a lot of critics and rightly so, but I think football is better with it. Needs speeding up and there will still be contentious decisions, but it will improve over time.

Quite right.

I was never bothered by the delays and the theft of the abrupt orgasmic moment, but I like it more now with swifter and fewer VAR ajudications, even if there are some errors that could (should) be caught that don't fit VAR criteria.

Anyway, this ship has long since sailed - we won't be going back to guesswork in the EPL, and I expect that the tech will become cheper and will roll out down the leagues (once the Championship has decided to embrace it).

That said, I can't see why the FA can't insist it is used at stadia where the tech is (or should be) in place, like the Hawthorns. WTF?