Is Roy Hodgson not English then?
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Is Roy Hodgson not English then?
seagullsdaz
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yeah sorry was in a rush. How about a response to my comments? Really interested as to what people think?
People say that RH had a poor stint but I'm sure I read somewhere that he has a similar, if not better record that KD. Not to mention how much more money that KD has spent that RH.
I think RH is an excellent choice, he gets good results with limited funds i.e. gets a lot from what he's got. The old England guard won't be around forever and RH can start from scratch. I think HR is also ok but as we all know he's a "wheeler dealer" and needs money to put together a decent squad, he may have more passion than RH but if you can't get motivated for your own country then International football isn't for you.
kevo
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Seagull over Canaryland
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During the frenzy to give Harry the England job a few months ago I got flamed on here for quietly suggesting that no one should rule out Hodgson.
I think the FA have weighed up Harry's so called man management skills and his jokey wide boy wheeler dealer image - then thought twice and opted for Roy Hodgson who is a proper technical coach with a credible long term record in Europe and far more media savvy.
Quite apart from footballing reasons I think the FA would also feel vulnerable having Harry around even though he was aquitted of dodgy dealings but his defence of being illiterate and having offshore bank accounts named after his dog will always get thrown in his face. Yes Harry would have been a media darling with his throw away quotes and may have been a bit more popular with the players but there is no certainty England will succeed on the pitch. His reputation is largely built on one decent Champions league campaign with Spurs and a dodgy FA cup win with Pompey, plus there is always the whiff of something rotten that might emerge to cause yet more embarrassment.
Roy is more of a safe pair of hands, less likely to attract the wrong headlines at a time when the FA could do with restoring its credibility. Ok he is a bit 'straight', probably less popular with the players and may not exactly get the fans juices going but I suspect he would do better, if he is given a decent chance. My fear is that Roy will be up against the same player power that dogged Capello. If he can sort that out he has a good chance of success.
I think the FA have weighed up Harry's so called man management skills and his jokey wide boy wheeler dealer image - then thought twice and opted for Roy Hodgson who is a proper technical coach with a credible long term record in Europe and far more media savvy.
Quite apart from footballing reasons I think the FA would also feel vulnerable having Harry around even though he was aquitted of dodgy dealings but his defence of being illiterate and having offshore bank accounts named after his dog will always get thrown in his face. Yes Harry would have been a media darling with his throw away quotes and may have been a bit more popular with the players but there is no certainty England will succeed on the pitch. His reputation is largely built on one decent Champions league campaign with Spurs and a dodgy FA cup win with Pompey, plus there is always the whiff of something rotten that might emerge to cause yet more embarrassment.
Roy is more of a safe pair of hands, less likely to attract the wrong headlines at a time when the FA could do with restoring its credibility. Ok he is a bit 'straight', probably less popular with the players and may not exactly get the fans juices going but I suspect he would do better, if he is given a decent chance. My fear is that Roy will be up against the same player power that dogged Capello. If he can sort that out he has a good chance of success.
kevo
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The BBC are implying this is the case. Hodgson to meet the FA tomorrow apparently - but only because WBA's season is as good as over. It would be a first if they were only to interview one candidate. Redknapp will certainly be interviewed.
I hope to god it isn't Hodgson, though I've a nasty feeling it might be as he is very much in the FA mould. They never go for the best manager, always the safe option - the man who's not likely to rock the boat.
He was a disaster at Liverpool and only seems to do well in jobs where there's no pressure. A Mr Nice Guy who would almost certainly fail if he managed the national side.
severnside gull
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Tomorrow's binfest in the popular press should be entertaining.
Redknapp was not "the peoples' choice" but he was the choice of elements of the press - particularly those with a predeliction for the salacious and for lurid headlines.
Redknapp is a PR disaster waiting to happen for the FA with the gutter press crawling over every aspect of his life looking for something to hang him with. If the press hadn't been so committed to using any possible means. legal or otherwise, to hound anyone in public life in return for headlines, then their "darling" might have got the job. As it is the press killed it for him.
The press will make a big issue of how disappointed "the public" are about Harry not getting the job. My guess is that a very significant proportion of "the public" are either remarkably sanguine or entirely disinterested but that doesn't generate headlines does it.
Redknapp was not "the peoples' choice" but he was the choice of elements of the press - particularly those with a predeliction for the salacious and for lurid headlines.
Redknapp is a PR disaster waiting to happen for the FA with the gutter press crawling over every aspect of his life looking for something to hang him with. If the press hadn't been so committed to using any possible means. legal or otherwise, to hound anyone in public life in return for headlines, then their "darling" might have got the job. As it is the press killed it for him.
The press will make a big issue of how disappointed "the public" are about Harry not getting the job. My guess is that a very significant proportion of "the public" are either remarkably sanguine or entirely disinterested but that doesn't generate headlines does it.
rouseytastic
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f***ing hell. Crwoydon Woy.
That's my summer in to cocked hat then! Bollocks
That's my summer in to cocked hat then! Bollocks
Pavilionaire
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Nothing the FA does surprises me. If it was Hodgson all the time then why wasn't he appointed when Capello left? Have we underprepared for a major tournament simply to make the WBA chairman feel better and save a few bob in compensation?
DumLum
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If Roy H does get the Job, will he pick Bobby Zamora to lead us to Euro glory!?
Pavilionaire
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Good point.
Nobody could have done that job with Dalgleish looming large over every decision you made. And if memory serves me well, Dalgleish never really gave RH the full backing he needed to bring the player onside.
Stumpy Tim
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He did alright at Inter Milan. They hired him twice. His perceived failure at Liverpool was largely due to King Kenny wanting the job and undermining Woy. I think Woy is the best man for the England job.
del strangefish
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I can't f***ing believe this. Roy bloody Hodgson??!!!! Jesus wept.
I think my England watching days are about to end. I really can't see what planet the FA are on. Harry Rednapp is the obvious choice. Just a complete joke.
I think my England watching days are about to end. I really can't see what planet the FA are on. Harry Rednapp is the obvious choice. Just a complete joke.
Spider
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This kind of comment from Henry Winter shows how much the England manager is entirely affected by the Press, who basically tried to appoint Redknapp themselves by saying he was the "People's Choice" without bothering to ask the people (and also assuming that if you say it enough it will be true).
"One way of summing him up is that he is a broadsheet man in a tabloid world. He is almost a professor type character when people want soundbites and players want short team-talks.
So, he is going to have to change his style of management and style of news conference if he is going to succeed in the job"
Excuse me if I don't give a f*** if he gives you nice sound bites and fun press conferences. It's a complete farce how much influence the press have over England in general. Do they now dictate a manager's style to a way that suits them?
"One way of summing him up is that he is a broadsheet man in a tabloid world. He is almost a professor type character when people want soundbites and players want short team-talks.
So, he is going to have to change his style of management and style of news conference if he is going to succeed in the job"
Excuse me if I don't give a f*** if he gives you nice sound bites and fun press conferences. It's a complete farce how much influence the press have over England in general. Do they now dictate a manager's style to a way that suits them?
oldalbiongirl
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I agree with this completely.
JetsetJimbo
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[MENTION=8329]Spider[/MENTION]
Exactly! The media are creating this "campaign" against Hodgson simply because he's not THEIR choice. He's not their choice because they think Redknapp will sell more papers: what's best for the national team doesn't factor into the media's thinking, despite their tendency to drape themselves in the flag whenever it suits. I think someone with a track record of getting surprisingly good performances out of average players fits perfectly the situation England find themselves in.
There was a guy from the Sun on R5L last night, who was shockingly frank about this and what his paper's approach is going to be. Please don't fall for it, people. Give him a chance, this tournament isn't one we were ever likely to win so if he does terribly, he'll be out, if he does alright he'll have earned the right to more of a go at it.
Exactly! The media are creating this "campaign" against Hodgson simply because he's not THEIR choice. He's not their choice because they think Redknapp will sell more papers: what's best for the national team doesn't factor into the media's thinking, despite their tendency to drape themselves in the flag whenever it suits. I think someone with a track record of getting surprisingly good performances out of average players fits perfectly the situation England find themselves in.
There was a guy from the Sun on R5L last night, who was shockingly frank about this and what his paper's approach is going to be. Please don't fall for it, people. Give him a chance, this tournament isn't one we were ever likely to win so if he does terribly, he'll be out, if he does alright he'll have earned the right to more of a go at it.
Bold Seagull
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I couldn't disagree more with that. Hodgson has an incredible CV that includes taking Switzerland to the world cup having only lost 1 qualifying game in a group that included Italy and Portugal. He took Fulham from absolute relegation certainties to the Europa League final, and left a team that enjoys mid table premiership finishes. His record at Inter was actually pretty good, as well as his amazing work in Sweden, and now at West Brom.
Stand their careers side by side and you would only pick one man. The press and their obsession with cheeky geezer Harry Redknapp sickens me personally, and I'd glad he's not getting the job. The last thing England needed was another ego - 'People's Choice'; f*ck off is he.