[Misc] F1 2021

[Bozza]

Great race, I thoroughly enjoyed that result.
I don't get the hate for LH from some on here especially in comparison to someone like MV but it takes all sorts I guess. Seems to be a British thing.

I don't dip into this thread very often, but does anyone hate Hamilton?

I certainly don't - he's clearly a tremendous driver and over of the best, if not the absolute best, of all-time.

But he does seem to be very quick to blame strategy/the team when things don't go his way. And whilst some Mercedes' strategy has undoubtedly been ill-judged, sometimes what looks like the best call doesn't work out - it's no-one's fault.

And when he does criticise a strategy, early, that turns out to be spot-on, does he ever say anything like "Good job guys - I thought you got it wrong, but you absolutely called it right"?

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

Thing is with Max, he has had 6 seasons to learn some intelligence / calm down / play a tactical game, but in reality in previous seasons he had nothing to lose so could be lairy- crash, take people out, with no real consequences.

This is the first season he has been in with a chance of winning a title and he’s been exposed as immature- ‘all or nothing’ is an idiotic way to try to win a WDC - which is decided over a season not in one race.

He needs a few more years to learn the hard way how to win a WDC- but who knows when he’ll get another chance, with new car designs next year resetting things, and a number of other young drivers - Lando, Leclerc, Sainz, and possibly most worryingly for Max, George Russell in a Merc being trained up to take the baton from Lewis.

This season could be his best chance for a while, and he could have won the title by now if he’d been less of a tool.

 

[mikeyjh]

Great race, I thoroughly enjoyed that result.
I don't get the hate for LH from some on here especially in comparison to someone like MV but it takes all sorts I guess. Seems to be a British thing.

It's because he has brown skin, people will flap around using other excuses but that's the long and short of it.

 

[zefarelly]

Grand Prix during Spuds game……..

One of them won't be a draw

I really couldn't give a **** about F1. It's a must watch!

 

[WATFORD zero]

I don't dip into this thread very often, but does anyone hate Hamilton?

I certainly don't - he's clearly a tremendous driver and over of the best, if not the absolute best, of all-time.

But he does seem to be very quick to blame strategy/the team when things don't go his way. And whilst some Mercedes' strategy has undoubtedly been ill-judged, sometimes what looks like the best call doesn't work out - it's no-one's fault.

And when he does criticise a strategy, early, that turns out to be spot-on, does he ever say anything like "Good job guys - I thought you got it wrong, but you absolutely called it right"?

I do believe he has actually done this a few times. I'll look tomorrow when I have some time.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I don't dip into this thread very often, but does anyone hate Hamilton?…….But he does seem to be very quick to blame strategy/the team when things don't go his way.

Serous question - do you rarely dip into F1? The drivers always give anyone but themselves full beans on the radio, especially their team. They (including Hamilton) are completely different after the race. Alonso has historically scolded his various teams a lot more than Hamilton by the way.

It’s the intensity of the dual, if you are not 100% convinced you are not to blame at that moment behind the wheel, I don’t think you’d have the confidence to be an F1 driver.

It reminds me of Andy Murray gesticulating and admonishing his coaches whilst playing tennis. It is all very different with him when he puts the racket down, the same with Lewis when he takes the helmet off.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't dip into this thread very often, but does anyone hate Hamilton?

I certainly don't - he's clearly a tremendous driver and over of the best, if not the absolute best, of all-time.

But he does seem to be very quick to blame strategy/the team when things don't go his way. And whilst some Mercedes' strategy has undoubtedly been ill-judged, sometimes what looks like the best call doesn't work out - it's no-one's fault.

And when he does criticise a strategy, early, that turns out to be spot-on, does he ever say anything like "Good job guys - I thought you got it wrong, but you absolutely called it right"?

He’s said it a couple of times this season - precisely that. Many of the drivers with a lot of experience, Alonso, Raikkenon, Vettel do exactly the same, they have an instinct when strategy might not be right or feel right.

 

[Creaky]

It's because he has brown skin, people will flap around using other excuses but that's the long and short of it.

Is that sort of racist comment allowed now?

 

[Bozza]

Serous question - do you rarely dip into F1?

No.

I drifted out of it for a few years, but got back into it 4 or 5 years ago when I was contracted to work on an official F1 app. That work finished two years ago, but I'd got the bug back again.

 

[Vin]

It's because he has brown skin, people will flap around using other excuses but that's the long and short of it.

Really? Ridiculous comment.

 

[Hugo Rune]

No.

I drifted out of it for a few years, but got back into it 4 or 5 years ago when I was contracted to work on an official F1 app. That work finished two years ago, but I'd got the bug back again.

Fair enough - do you think Lewis is different from other F1 drivers in that respect? He clearly spits his dummy when behind the wheel but I’m aware of many drivers that don’t.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Is that sort of racist comment allowed now?

‘Brown’ is actually ok as an adjective because it’s so widely used in the USA, however, as you are alluding too, we do tend to say ‘Black’ in this country.

 

[zefarelly]

I can't wait for next week, but why not have a new world champion this year, Merc have dominated it for too long, we would not want it in football so why would we in F1?

Because winning fair is Applauded.

Being a cheat, than cheating more and whining like a Spice girls Gimp is not a good look.

At least not for the vast majority.

 

[MTSeagulls]

I don't dip into this thread very often, but does anyone hate Hamilton?

I certainly don't - he's clearly a tremendous driver and over of the best, if not the absolute best, of all-time.

But he does seem to be very quick to blame strategy/the team when things don't go his way. And whilst some Mercedes' strategy has undoubtedly been ill-judged, sometimes what looks like the best call doesn't work out - it's no-one's fault.

And when he does criticise a strategy, early, that turns out to be spot-on, does he ever say anything like "Good job guys - I thought you got it wrong, but you absolutely called it right"?

I wasn't specifically referring to yourself. One user I had to block because he is so biased against LH that he cannot be generous at all in any way.
Re your point, I don't know, but it has felt, to me anyway, that Mercedes have made quite a few tactical errors this year, especially with regards to the timing of pit stops compared to RB earlier in the season.
I just don't get the personal dislike for him. He always appears to come across well in interviews to me.
As for his lifestyle, that's his choice, he's a young multi millionaire in a sport that could see him dead in the next race. I don't begrudge him a thing.

 

[Weststander]

I saw Toto pulling a wild one with his headset, these guys have never been pushed and it's fun for all to see someone push them.

It's like the Eubanks V Benn fights, nasty but exciting, and on the edge. No one loves dominance, it sucks the life out of that sport.

I agree about that.

Ferrari, Mercedes and RedBull all spend about the same, at the cap. This isn’t a David and Goliath story. Two teams pushing engineering excellence to the limit. As far Ferrari

Verstappen just needs to stop cheating. I couldn’t stand Schumacher doing it, ending fair racing and seasons early, not allowing car and skill to decide the world champion.

Toto Wolff’s an amazing human being. As a child (in the maelstrom of bullying at school) he took a very vulnerable kid under his wing, giving them friendship and safety. Whilst his Dad slipped away from C. A loyalty that shines through in his F1 work.

 

[Bold Seagull]

No.

I drifted out of it for a few years, but got back into it 4 or 5 years ago when I was contracted to work on an official F1 app. That work finished two years ago, but I'd got the bug back again.

I remember the one with rain coming in this year with about 3 laps left, Hamilton got ordered to box and couldn’t believe it, he stayed out a lap but did obey orders and won the race over Lando who didn’t pit and ended up last. Now McClaren left it to their inexperienced driver to decide, Mercedes ordered their 7 time champion to come in. I remember Lewis repeatedly commending his team on excellent strategy.

Edit: Russia!!

 

[Guinness Boy]

I wasn't specifically referring to yourself. One user I had to block because he is so biased against LH that he cannot be generous at all in any way.
Re your point, I don't know, but it has felt, to me anyway, that Mercedes have made quite a few tactical errors this year, especially with regards to the timing of pit stops compared to RB earlier in the season.
I just don't get the personal dislike for him. He always appears to come across well in interviews to me.
As for his lifestyle, that's his choice, he's a young multi millionaire in a sport that could see him dead in the next race. I don't begrudge him a thing.

Yes, this. Whereas (topically) Brighton players risk dislocated elbows or muscle injury for broadly similar money.

I've never understood how people can support the England football, cricket or rugby teams and then, when it comes to a Brit who is the greatest EVER at his sport it's not good enough because he pushes his team or lives in Monaco (like all of them).

Especially when the closest challenger seems hell bent on actually putting someone in a wooden box.

 

[zefarelly]

Is that sort of racist comment allowed now?

FFS Honky! If Suggesting people are racist is racist, we really are ****ed.

 

[Creaky]

I agree about that.

Ferrari, Mercedes and RedBull all spend about the same, at the cap. This isn’t a David and Goliath story. Two teams pushing engineering excellence to the limit. As far Ferrari

Verstappen just needs to stop cheating. I couldn’t stand Schumacher doing it, ending fair racing and seasons early, not letting car and skill decide the world champion.

Toto Wolff’s an amazing human being. As a child (in the maelstrom of bullying at school) he took a very vulnerable kid under his wing, giving them friendship and safety. Whilst his Dad slipped away from C. A loyalty that shines through in his F1 work.

I think both Toto Wolff and Christian Horner are likeable and charismatic individuals - I’d be delighted to spend an hour or so having a drink with either.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The consensus amongst the commentators appear to be that it was due to mis-communication between the race director and Mercedes - even TW is pulling back on the accusations - we need to wait for the stewards decision, they have all the telemetry.

It was pretty clear from the in race coms this happened.

Lewis is sort of saying it as well now.