[Other Sport] F1 2020

[rogersix]

is it over now?

there can't be another encore, shirley

 

[Icy Gull]

Russell not good enough to get out of Quali 1

 

[Bold Seagull]

Superb performance by Verstappen. That was hell of a lap.

Norris to qualify ahead of Albon too, very quick.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Verstappen
Bottas
Hamilton

Should be an entertaining race.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Verstappen
Bottas
Hamilton

Should be an entertaining race.

Worth watching, hopefully a clean getaway and we can see a proper scrap at the front, as well as the likes of Nando maybe even challenge a podium.

 

[Icy Gull]

Perfect grid position to make the race interesting

Terrible from Hamilton after a two week holiday though

 

[Hampster Gull]

Why is it?


I am just pointing out my point of view, am I allowed a point of view?

I would say all these are true and factual statements.

Would you like Scott McGleish and Joey Barton if they were voted world player of the year. Unlikely!

With Hamilton it comes from people I have spoken to behind the scenes and others who have met him. I have not heard anyone say they like him off-camera.
You could see for years that David Coulthard didn't like him, I know he is mates with Button, but there is racing respect but nothing else. This one you could debate

The British people I love and back fully, are genuine both sides of the camera and do a great job, like Jackie Stewart, Ken Tyrell and Damon Hill to name a few. True

But I feel there is god like worship just because of his world championship, in a lightening car. This one you could debate

Back in the day, a driver or rider would be full on diagnosing, adjusting and performing, without 100's of support team, they were the true hereos. True

Hamilton can't help that but he has had the quickest most dominate car available to him and was nurtured by McClaren. True

Hamilton has worked at it more than some, but he was not penniless like they make out. True

I know a British Karting champion very well, he said when Button came on the scene his dad would buy up about ten engines find out the quickest and make sure Jenson had it and then he would sell the slower ones to the other drivers. True

It would have been no different with Hamilton. This one you could debate

Like I have consistently Said Hamilton is good but is he really a god, or are Merc gods for keeping him in the seat for this long with Bottas as competition.This one you could debate

It has made it a two horse race for years now. Although Verstappen has busted his butt to break up the dominance.True


Russell scared the living daylights out of Hamilton,True I expect Hamilton to drive the arse out of the car this weekend. We will await to see

A question to you and others why do I have to like Hamilton?

I would like to see Hamilton to have the balls and sign elsewhere, Debatable but he won't because he knows how special Merc are, and I think George Russell has already stated that. Factual George did say Merc were very special.


Back on topic, how do you think pole will pan out this weekend?





That's fair enough and I hope you enjoyed your day. Did you ever go on a day when Button was his partner?

I would imagine being in the pits is fuelled with adrenalin on race day, did you get a quick buzz?

You’re definitely a wind up.

McGrealish and Barton are red herrings. As are your sources (although others on this thread say the opposite). The thread was about recognition of achievement, i.e. knighthood, not personality. You ask why do you have to like LW. You don't, that’s not the question.

No one has posted anything like “god like worship” of LH. Its one of the many hyperboles you come out with which is factually inaccurate. Like claiming others said “Hamilton was penniless” No one has said that, they have said he come from a council estate in Stevenage.

And then LH is “good” whilst the Mercs is “very special”. The latter is true, although others point out it wasn't always, which you ignore. But LH has proved he is very special too. One of so many examples to prove this, he is paid $48m this year. Perez $3m. So the team could say $45m by switching to Perez who is a good driver and Toto himself, who owns 30% of the team, would personally pocket $15m this year alone. But they and Toto don't for a reason.

Russell hasn’t “scared the living daylights” out of LH. Last weekend showed why LH is where he is.

Anyway, LH, a proven modern great British champion.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I'm pointing out why he might not be popular in the pits. He breaks a culture that is otherwise homogenous. You seem to be having a bit of "if the cap fits" paranoia during the longest flounce ever seen on NSC.

Do you forget that not every year at Merc has it been as good as this year? Last year the Ferrari took most of the poles until their engine ‘mapping’ was banned and 2018 Vettel had the championship lead a good way through the season with the Ferrari being the quicker car at many tracks.

This year and perhaps 2016 are probably the only years I would say the Merc has been in a total different league to the rest of the field but having the fastest car has always been a thing in Formula 1,

I’ve yet to see any actual reason to dislike him in any of Mouldy’s post, it’s fine if you don’t like him as a person I know many people don’t but to detract from his achievements because you don’t like him is quite childish, he’s the most complete driver since Senna, there’s no driver who is as fast in all different aspects of racing as Lewis, tell me a weakness he has as a driver? He’s won nearly every race in the rain in recent years which tends to equal out ‘car advantage’

People forget as well, Lewis joining Mercedes was a massive gamble, at the time I thought it was a crazy decision from him and his gamble paid off. Many drivers make switches that haven’t worked despite promises of fast cars. Hamilton’s gamble paid off.

Never thought the F1 thread would end up in bear pit territory! [emoji1787]

Personally I have always been a big LH fan. Last week did show things in general could be a bit more interesting if he wasn’t dominating in the way he has been in recent years. Maybe he could swop cars with George Russell.. (JOKE). I would settle for GR taking Bottas’s seat.

Fernando giving it full beans in the old Renault yesterday. They sound so much better

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Right, my last attempt.

Senna crashed at Monaco when well out in the lead, Vettel the same at the German Grand Prix. Schumacher regularly took out other drivers if it stopped them catching or beating him in the Championship. Multi world champion winners who had a lapse of concentration and had to retire.

We agree that Hamilton has the best car, yes? Right, now tell me when Hamilton last made a massive misjudgement that end up as a DNF. I don’t remember this happening for years. ALL the other drivers have a number of feck ups every year. In fact Hamilton is so good that he even over rides the techies in the pits more and more often. Why? Because he is the best driver of all time and if you can’t see that then your prejudices are over riding your brain. Think about it, Hamilton may have the best car but he manages set backs better than any driver I have ever seen.

What you've never accepted, or even acknowledged, is that the Merc wasn't the fastest car in 2017 or 2018. Pole timings, lap times, race pace the Ferrari matched and often bettered the Merc.

The McClaren wasn't the fastest in 2007 or 2008, a 2 time world champion and often regarded as one of the most natural of drivers couldn't match Hamilton who was only denied a rookie title but for a poor pit wall decision and a mechanical. Hamilton then won the title in 2008 against an again faster Ferrari, where his team mate Kovalainen only managed 3 podiums all year - I thought it was all about the car rather than the driver? Hamilton in only his second year in the same car won 5 races and was on the podium an additional 5 times.

The Mercedes has been special. However, their dominance has not just been about the car. When the car hasn't had the pace or upgrades others have had, the driver has kept them on top.

Even in his non title winning seasons, his first for Mercedes as an example, a race win and 4 podiums stands up as him being fast and consistent even when the Red Bulls and Ferrari were so dominant.

You never seem to have any depth to your opinions. You type a load of stuff and it's qualified as 'I know someone in motorsport'. Or as above 'the Merc is special'. It just ignores so much else he has done in the sport.

Whether he is the greatest of all time is something that could be debated forever and a day. From the mid/late 80s onward, not sure there can be much debate he is the greatest there has been. Stats don't lie, achievements don't lie. What you think of him as a person, completely irrelevant.

Okay, guys, we are not going to agree on this and I can not spend the time to just repeat my reasons or pick you up on bits you have missed(Boldy).

So let's just leave it there, you enjoy Lewis doing his thing and I will admire Norris and Russell, but next year can't wait to see Alonso, because that man can drive a car and I like him.

Sorry Marty, but when you get 4 or 5 posters who just find your opinion offensive and chuck the race card in, I will point my point over whether they like it or not.

Don't worry this thread will not be going near the bearpit.

I will just leave you with one of Hamiltons rants, which makes a lot of people dislike him.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/hami...orld champion Lewis,at the Russian Grand Prix.

A driver that has the fastest car really shouldn't be involved in getting all these points.

Let's hope its a good race tomorrow.

 

[The Wizard]

So to summarise, he has no reason for disliking Lewis and just has a personal issue with him. Oh and by the way Alonso won his 2 titles in a Renault that was an absolute rocket ship and Lewis Hamilton beat him in his rookie season, so if Alonso ‘Can drive a car’ Lewis must REALLY drive a car.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Okay, guys, we are not going to agree on this and I can not spend the time to just repeat my reasons or pick you up on bits you have missed(Boldy).

So let's just leave it there, you enjoy Lewis doing his thing

Maybe if you listen to his music, you’ll change your mind?

https://youtu.be/t6H2wU8IjI0

I’m guessing that this is right up your street?

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

So to summarise, he has no reason for disliking Lewis and just has a personal issue with him. Oh and by the way Alonso won his 2 titles in a Renault that was an absolute rocket ship and Lewis Hamilton beat him in his rookie season, so if Alonso ‘Can drive a car’ Lewis must REALLY drive a car.

Well they finished level on points

 

[Hampster Gull]

 

[Deleted member 2719]

So to summarise, he has no reason for disliking Lewis and just has a personal issue with him. Oh and by the way Alonso won his 2 titles in a Renault that was an absolute rocket ship and Lewis Hamilton beat him in his rookie season, so if Alonso ‘Can drive a car’ Lewis must REALLY drive a car.

I notice you don't point out they actually had the same points, I don't call that beating him. That was probably one of the best F1 Championships for some time.

Maybe if you listen to his music, you’ll change your mind?

https://youtu.be/t6H2wU8IjI0

I’m guessing that this is right up your street?

Nah not for me.

This is me.

Please be aware as this may offend.

https://youtu.be/DVDiwrIAjpY

 

[Bold Seagull]

Okay, guys, we are not going to agree on this and I can not spend the time to just repeat my reasons or pick you up on bits you have missed(Boldy).

So let's just leave it there, you enjoy Lewis doing his thing and I will admire Norris and Russell, but next year can't wait to see Alonso, because that man can drive a car and I like him.

Sorry Marty, but when you get 4 or 5 posters who just find your opinion offensive and chuck the race card in, I will point my point over whether they like it or not.

Don't worry this thread will not be going near the bearpit.

I will just leave you with one of Hamiltons rants, which makes a lot of people dislike him.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/hami...orld champion Lewis,at the Russian Grand Prix.

A driver that has the fastest car really shouldn't be involved in getting all these points.

Let's hope its a good race tomorrow.

You’ve not given any reasons

You’re not interested in points with actual content and arguments, you just shut them down. Not answering. The funniest thing I’ve seen in a while is you fact checking your own opinion by replying to yourself under each point quoting ‘True’. That is a special kind of special.

Brilliant qualifying by Verstappen and Norris as stated earlier, hope to see them challenge at the front and beat the Mercedes - would be a great way to end the season and look forward to the rule changes coming in. Hamilton may well stay at Mercedes and be in a slower car 2021 - if you understood F1, you’d know that is a real possibility because while Mercedes have stayed developing this car, others have been working on their 2021 car all year.

 

[seagullwedgee]

Mouldy, no one from Santander would get anywhere near Fernando, Lewis, Heiki or Jensen once race weekends started. The closest we got was VIP Sponsor access to the F1 Paddock Club for BGP on the Tuesday and Wednesday. The only exception I can think of is when our Group President, Don Emilio Botîn, presented him with the trophy at the Spanish GP in 2014!

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Okay, guys, we are not going to agree on this and I can not spend the time to just repeat my reasons or pick you up on bits you have missed(Boldy).

So let's just leave it there, you enjoy Lewis doing his thing and I will admire Norris and Russell, but next year can't wait to see Alonso, because that man can drive a car and I like him.

Sorry Marty, but when you get 4 or 5 posters who just find your opinion offensive and chuck the race card in, I will point my point over whether they like it or not.

Don't worry this thread will not be going near the bearpit.

I will just leave you with one of Hamiltons rants, which makes a lot of people dislike him.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/hami...orld champion Lewis,at the Russian Grand Prix.

A driver that has the fastest car really shouldn't be involved in getting all these points.

Let's hope its a good race tomorrow.

At least you read The race. You've got some taste.

 

[Bold Seagull]

So to summarise, he has no reason for disliking Lewis and just has a personal issue with him. Oh and by the way Alonso won his 2 titles in a Renault that was an absolute rocket ship and Lewis Hamilton beat him in his rookie season, so if Alonso ‘Can drive a car’ Lewis must REALLY drive a car.

He’d never raced an F1 car before and was consistently faster than a 2 time world champion!

I love Alonso by the way, I don’t see why rating Hamilton precludes me loving other drivers as has been insinuated. If you love motor-racing how can you not love and admire Fernando Alonso!? Such a shame he didn’t get the luck or a fast enough car for the Indy500, would have been great and deserving to have a modern day triple crown winner.

 

[The Wizard]

He’d never raced an F1 car before and was consistently faster than a 2 time world champion!

I love Alonso by the way, I don’t see why rating Hamilton precludes me loving other drivers as has been insinuated. If you love motor-racing how can you not love and admire Fernando Alonso!? Such a shame he didn’t get the luck or a fast enough car for the Indy500, would have been great and deserving to have a modern day triple crown winner.

Absolutely, I love Alonso, a fantastic driver and for me he’s up there with Lewis in pure speed, but I would say Lewis has become a more complete driver during his career than Alonso. Alonso himself says Lewis is probably the best team mate he’s ever had and that was a raw rookie Lewis Hamilton, Button also said there were days were Lewis was like an alien producing pace that he just had no answers for, this was of course during the period of his career where Lewis was quite troubled.

I struggle to see what’s not to like about Lewis myself, I get people are bored with the Mercedes dominance but his career progression has been amazing to watch, I don’t think there will be a better all round british driver in a long, long time. But hey, he lives in Monaco and is a bit of a strange character in his personal life so sod him, he should join Williams to really prove himself.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Absolutely, I love Alonso, a fantastic driver and for me he’s up there with Lewis in pure speed, but I would say Lewis has become a more complete driver during his career than Alonso. Alonso himself says Lewis is probably the best team mate he’s ever had and that was a raw rookie Lewis Hamilton, Button also said there were days were Lewis was like an alien producing pace that he just had no answers for, this was of course during the period of his career where Lewis was quite troubled.

I struggle to see what’s not to like about Lewis myself, I get people are bored with the Mercedes dominance but his career progression has been amazing to watch, I don’t think there will be a better all round british driver in a long, long time. But hey, he lives in Monaco and is a bit of a strange character in his personal life so sod him, he should join Williams to really prove himself.

Yes at the time you might have imagined the drivers had fallen out, but the way Alonso talks about it his frustration was with the team and particularly Dennis, not Lewis. Of course that rookie season Alonso wasn’t in the title picture until that catastrophically poor pit wall decision not to pit LH sooner leading to his DNF in the penultimate race followed by a mechanical problem in the final race. They finished on level points, but that told nothing of the dominance LH had as ‘still’ the most successful rookie season in F1 history.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You’ve not given any reasons

You’re not interested in points with actual content and arguments, you just shut them down. Not answering. The funniest thing I’ve seen in a while is you fact checking your own opinion by replying to yourself under each point quoting ‘True’. That is a special kind of special.

Brilliant qualifying by Verstappen and Norris as stated earlier, hope to see them challenge at the front and beat the Mercedes - would be a great way to end the season and look forward to the rule changes coming in. Hamilton may well stay at Mercedes and be in a slower car 2021 - if you understood F1, you’d know that is a real possibility because while Mercedes have stayed developing this car, others have been working on their 2021 car all year.

Here is one of my heroes stating it as it is, but of course you seem to miss it. TRUE

https://youtu.be/sMvgRy0GeRQ