Not going to discuss conspiracy theories today, but this... is just factually incorrect. Its been widely in use for more than a hundred years and in a wide array of subjects, most with no connection to conspiracy theories.
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Not going to discuss conspiracy theories today, but this... is just factually incorrect. Its been widely in use for more than a hundred years and in a wide array of subjects, most with no connection to conspiracy theories.
You make reference to 'fear' in posts 25. 32. 34
Out of interest, as for suicides, have you got a link to stats? Just looking at the ONS figures for the first two quarters of this year. 1st qtr is similar to corresponding qtr in 2019 but the second qtr, which should be the first three months of lockdown is showing a drop of 500 which is about 40% down on corresponding qtr last year although that is with the caveat that the reduction may be due to delays in inquests during the lockdown.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...asets/deathscausedbysuicidebyquarterinengland
Sorry, but whilst the word mainstream has been used for a long time, it is in recent years that conspiracy theorist refer to MSM to suggest that mainstream media is in league with whomever to cover up the truth when in reality the are merely reporting on a basis the conspiracy theorist don't like.
True, "mainstream media" (rather than just mainstream) is quite often a word used by conspiracy theorists for the last 60 years or so.
Disagree with the second part, obviously. The media cover up a lot of things. A natural consequence of their tight relations to secret services like CIA and MI6.
Megazone
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So what if I make reference to fear in whatever posts you've counted. You accused me of banging on about 'Culture of Fear' which I've only ever mentioned once and included the wiki link for it. Definitely a case of word twisting going on now to win a crap argument.
So suicide rates have dropped?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...p/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19
Fat Boy Fat
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I'm going to throw my two 'penneth in here and tough if you don't like it.
You are being deliberately obtuse - yes you only mentioned the phrase Culture of Fear with capitals once, but had in several posts derided people for their fear, with little or no understanding (or apparently wanting to understand their individual circumstances.
You then repeated the same lie, I believe 3 times, that suicide rates were going up, indicating due to the current situation. Like the previous poster I tried hard to find your evidence, but couldn't, you have then linked to info that showed suicide rates were at an all time rate, last year.
Clearly, like you, these unfortunate people had the power of foresight.
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Megazone
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The first link shows suicide rates have not dropped which was being claimed
Didn't Denise Welch also mention something about suicide rates going up by 20%?
This article is very very concerning and shows suicide rates are on the climb:
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/05...already-rising-suicide-rates-heightens-worry/
How you think this is lies is appalling. Suicide is very serious and effects so many people around the suicide victim as well. Playing down the concerns of this just proves this is all about point scoring for you.
PS This might help you to understand what Culture of fear is :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cul...imate,the American sociologist Barry Glassner.
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Fat Boy Fat
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Why is it whenever people are called out on their lies and half truths they result to whataboutery, going off on a tangent to yet another one of their favourites...
Please don't post lies, in particular with regards to something as serious as suicide.
Megazone
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It's not lies. That's just you being a nasty piece of work again.
Oh I'd forgotten. You literally posted this last night on this thread:
What made you come back so quickly after your big fair well?
Fat Boy Fat
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Like Arnie, I came back, to challenge some of the stuff you and others are putting on here and once again, when challenged you turn things around as an attack on me.
The repeated suicide comment is an unsubstantiated "fact". The reference to last years figures classless deflection...
Megazone
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You're obviously ignoring the 2nd link I put up about the sharp increase in suicides during this Covid19 pandemic so you can keep with you weird "lie" thing in relation to the suicide rates climbing.
Anyone who puts up a big fair well to the forum and then is back the next day still bin festing away is a clear and blatant bellend.
Keep going though mate. I'm clearly stuck in your head. I apologise for that.
Fat Boy Fat
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I have to admit when I make a mistake I am able to admit it. I mistakenly typed forum last night, when I meant to say I was leaving this thread, as you had already started to be abusive towards me.
As for the suicide "fact" as I previously mentioned, the figures and post you are linking to are for LAST YEAR and goes on to say "there was no guarantee Covid would lead to higher suicide rates".
You on 3 separate occasions wrote about the sharp increase in suicide rates appearing to link it to Covid, which it wasn't.
Anyway, as I said last night, and I will get it right this time, I bid this thread and you adieu...
Megazone
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Show me where I've stated fact that the suicide rates were because of Covid19?
The link you're ignoring:
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/05...already-rising-suicide-rates-heightens-worry/
Megazone
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You flounced off with a big goodbye to the forum, then came back to that same thread the fairwell was on with an attack towards me and now you're claiming you meant to say thread not forum on your big fairwell post last night.
It's just ridiculous. Either way you couldn't keep to your word.
Oh and what was that about being able to admit your mistakes again?
Albion Dan
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You're unbelievable. You babble on suggesting everyone is supposedly in fear (whether you use the phrase culture or not). You start referring to the rising rate of suicides but fail to produce any evidence to substantiate that comment other than a link to the US which has bugger all to do with us!
When you replied to my post asking about a link, all you posted was a comment 'So suicide rates have dropped?' and a link to 2019 which as far as I'm aware is bugger all to do with any rise or fall during the 2nd and 3rd qtrs of 2020!
As for Denise Welch, I believe her comment was along the lines of 20+ suicides a day, not that it had gone up by 20%. Based on the ONS figures I posted a link to, in 2019 during the second qtr there were about 14 suicides a day. The statistics for the second qtr of 2020 are not complete for the reason I stated earlier which it is clear you didn't read (or comprehend). So how people can claim that the stats show rates have gone through the roof when there are no complete stats is beyond me.
The only people living in fear are the emotional immature narcissist's like you who can't accept we are in the middle of a pandemic and we all need to make sacrifices for the common good. The rest of us are just getting on with it.
If you think for one minute that the population of this country are being brainwashed into offering the government a free pass on restricting liberty then you really don't understand the British people. We don't need the likes of David Icke, Piers Corbyn and Chico to take a philosophical lead on the temporary restriction on some freedoms and the timing of them being returned. When the time is right they will be handed back by the government or they won't be the government for much longer.
Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Megazone
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What on earth?!
You said suicide rates were dropping in this country. So I looked it up and found a Guardian article from earlier this month suggesting its not.
I've never once talked about the suicide rise being specifically to this country and if I have show me and I'll admit my error. Regardless, how on earth does the frightening suicide rates since this pandemic has begun in the USA mean absolute nothing to you and the people of this country? You do know they're going through what we are too? Whatever side of the pond you're on shouldn't mean we're not all in this together. Funny how this is a global pandemic unless you're trying to win an argument...
In relation to what I mentioned with the Denise Welch comment, I'll accept I got that wrong but look back at my post and it's clear I mention that point showing no absolute certainty, but nonetheless if its 20+ suicides a day going on right now, how on earth are you playing that down? Bloody hell!
The 'Culture of fear' thing is getting ridiculous now. How many more times do you need to be told 'Culture of fear' and the word 'fear' are not the same thing? You accused me of banging on about 'Culture of fear' so I replied telling you I'd only heard of it today and only mentioned it once, and now you're still trying to win that argument by claiming the use of the word 'fear' is the same thing as 'Cultue of fear'. WTF?
Also, read back on when I used Culture of fear and you'll see I mentioned with it "maybe it is? Maybe it isn't?" but in your words I was banging on about it remember?
I get the impression you're offended by my use of the word fear the most, but yet everytime there's information that suggests we might not need to fear as much, people like yourself then get very angry and try to shut down that info as quick and as offensively as you can. It's as if you're trapped in fear but yet are trying so hard to give off a persona of being fearless. But go ahead keep babbling on and word twisting all you can. Fear is the obvious answer.
Megazone
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You should read up on Narcissistic projection, Narcissistic character assignation and Narcissistic mobbing.
It's all in your post.
We blah blah blah is all in your head. You can only truly speak for yourself I'm afraid. Same goes with this view that someone questioning the regulations of this lockdown is a follower of David Icke. Its like me accusing you of claiming Boris Johnson is the answer to all our problems and everything he says should be treated as gospel.
Dumb gets dumber!!!!
Read my post in full and tell me where I have claimed suicide rates have officially dropped? I was countering your assertion they had gone up because you posted no validation of that for this country. I posted links to official figures which show 500 less than last year but gave the official reason why those figures might not be complete which you failed to comprehend!!!
And for the record, we are not going through what the US is going through. Johnson and his mob have made a mess of their handling of this pandemic but they are streets ahead of the orange idiot across the pond. We're about 1/5 of the size of the states yet they currently have 14k in critical care against our 78. They have 20k cases per million pop. whereas we only have 5k. The only area where the comparison is close is in deaths. However, we were a long way ahead of them but now they are fast approaching 200k deaths and will probably go a lot further than that.