If they cheated to get these titles/cups, all honours won during this period should be taken away from them (but not given to anyone else as this opens up a can of worms).
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[Football] Everton Points Deduction.
- Thread starter Kinky Gerbil
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Mancgull
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An independent commission will apparently decide on punishment although the Premier League are recommending a points penalty.
Mancgull
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Beat me to it.
All a 12 point deduction would do to City is (possibly) stop them winning the league for one season. Which makes the cheating more than worth it over the last ten seasons.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,807
Pompey and Middlesbrough already happened,
Worried Man Blues
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2026 Man City 25 . 0 Ebbsfleet
- Mar 1, 2021
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In fact I believe the PL have said it should be a maximum of 12 points and of course they have to be found guilty first
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
- 21,730
They will still stay up.
Weststander
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The Unflushables.
After a 5 points points deduction, 7 suspended.
No comfort at all to the teams relegated during Everton’s years of cheating to stay up.
schmunk
Second time lucky?
They wouldn't have in the last two seasons, even with a reduced 4 point deduction...
Currently sitting 3 points (plus a ton of goal difference) above the bottom three.
The Grockle
Formally Croydon Seagull
Absolutely zero chance they'll get a points deduction just doesn't happen in the Premier league
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Swindon?
- May 8, 2018
- 10,503
For you maybe, spare a thought for the guy running their forum season tracker, who’s now got to factor in minus in his Y axis
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The Grockle
Formally Croydon Seagull
I'd forgotten about those deductions
Doonhamer7
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- Jun 17, 2016
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I thought I read Man City’s was so bad it was probable they would end up with relegation to League2 or even National League so now the top QC’s in the country are now employed by PL and Man City to fight it out.
I think Leicester, Leeds and Southampton have said they will sue Everton if they are found guilty
I think Leicester, Leeds and Southampton have said they will sue Everton if they are found guilty
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
- 2,563
Everton's problem is that their covid losses claim includes in the region of £100m for "a significant contraction in the transfer market which resulted in the inability to generate the level of transfer fees which could reasonably have been expected pre-pandemic."
No other club made that claim, so far as I know, and the claim that they could have sold players for more money but their purchase of players was not affected is a clear nonsense.
Part of their problem, I think, is that they worked with someone at the PL to get the figures under the total. (They have admitted this.) The PL representative(s) were presumably looking for plausible tales that they could "officially" believe to get the numbers passed without anyone querying too hard. Then clubs like Burnley and Leeds who finished third bottom just behind Everton did start querying the figures too hard, and they had no further options to change them.
This is as good a place as any to mention this BBC Sounds series I've heard trailed:
www.bbc.co.uk
I've not listened to it myself yet, but I will be in the next week or so.
(@chaileyjem - add this to my next commission payment please)
BBC Sounds - Everton: Nothing Will Be The Same - Available Episodes
Listen to the latest episodes of Everton: Nothing Will Be The Same on BBC Sounds
www.bbc.co.uk
I've not listened to it myself yet, but I will be in the next week or so.
(@chaileyjem - add this to my next commission payment please)
Weststander
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Everton's problem is that their covid losses claim includes in the region of £100m for "a significant contraction in the transfer market which resulted in the inability to generate the level of transfer fees which could reasonably have been expected pre-pandemic."
No other club made that claim, so far as I know, and the claim that they could have sold players for more money but their purchase of players was not affected is a clear nonsense.
Part of their problem, I think, is that they worked with someone at the PL to get the figures under the total. (They have admitted this.) The PL representative(s) were presumably looking for plausible tales that they could "officially" believe to get the numbers passed without anyone querying too hard. Then clubs like Burnley and Leeds who finished third bottom just behind Everton did start querying the figures too hard, and they had no further options to change them.
Wasn’t the timeline that first Moshiri cheated FFP/sustainability over more than one season. Then once the cheating became known due to the time lag in producing historical accounts, the PL latterly have worked with them behind the scenes to end or reduce the cheating eg encouraging reduced transfer spending. Hence a couple of lower spending windows. So two different events and no excuse for the rule breaking.
The pandemic/behind closed doors is a complete red herring from Everton. The PL gave more financial leeway to all clubs, but Everton’s £585m transfer fees spend with wages on a par, was against the rules they signed up to. There’s no valid reason why their pandemic losses should be greater than say Villa, West Ham, Newcastle.
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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They don't want city to become established as best team in Europe at the expense of Real or Barca.