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[Albion] Evan Ferguson



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Nothing to do with being Irish. If when I was 18, I’d just scored two goals in two PL games and received an unhealthy injection of cash I’d be off the rails faster than the speed of light.

Just saying I hope he’s got a better head on his shoulders than I would have and some sound people around him to keep him somewhat grounded.

I get the feeling Aaron didn’t.

Been catching up on the articles on here and his Dad is an ex-PL footballer who didn't make it and had to retire completely at 29. Now works for the FAI.

The dad seems really down to earth and knows it takes a lot of hard work. They chose Brighton over Liverpool when he was 15 because it had a better potential in the future than Liverpool did. Shows a lot of maturity and realism to do that from him and parents.
 




Zeberdi

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This touches on an advantage that I think Ferguson has over Connolly at the same point in their careers. Ferguson comes into a team where goals are being scored, and they are being scored from multiple positions. Connolly came into a side that was desperate for goals.
Yes, very good points - a very different team and system now.

However, Connolly also failed to make an impact at Venezia or ‘Boro so there are personal stumbling blocks there too - like being a complete drama queen when he doesn’t get what he wants. He should not have been fast-tracked into the under 23s at the age of 17 imo, or gone out on loan to ’Boro because he wasn’t happy with the amount of game time he was getting here - he wasn’t ready - other individuals with more inner self-belief and maturity at the same age would be. Hopefully Hull or somewhere can sort it out but he’s already a really bad investment (is he still on a £20,000 pw week contract?!)

But comparing Ferguson and Connolly is still like chalk and cheese for the reasons I outlined above 😉
 


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so are you saying Connolly could do well in this side ?
If we're playing Everton every week my mum would expect to get on the score sheet and she's wheelchair bound with Multiple Sclerosis.
 


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I would suggest you don't base any of your strategic thinking on Aaron Connolly.

You are basically saying we can never get excited about a young player because of what happened to 1 young player, and we base all future development plans for young players on what happened to 1 young player.

Ferguson's development and progress needs to be structured and managed for Ferguson, not on what happened to other players. If he is ready, the manager feels he is ready, then get him in the side.

Should Dortmond and England not be playing Jude Bellingham?
That seems like a hell of a jump, and actually not what I'm saying at all.

I'm just cautioning against the ridiculously over the top reaction to a kid who only turned 18 3 months ago scoring two goals for us. A large section of our fanbase seem to have decided he is the answer to our (mythical) goal scoring problems. Harry Kane went out on loan 4 times, and was still at Orient when 2 years older than Ferguson. Ferguson would surely get a load more minutes and experience playing in the Championship, or even League One, than he would with us in the Premier League.

Football fans are always in such a rush. Fortunately, the people that run our club aren't.
 


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That seems like a hell of a jump, and actually not what I'm saying at all.

I'm just cautioning against the ridiculously over the top reaction to a kid who only turned 18 3 months ago scoring two goals for us. A large section of our fanbase seem to have decided he is the answer to our (mythical) goal scoring problems. Harry Kane went out on loan 4 times, and was still at Orient when 2 years older than Ferguson. Ferguson would surely get a load more minutes and experience playing in the Championship, or even League One, than he would with us in the Premier League.

Football fans are always in such a rush. Fortunately, the people that run our club aren't.
Yep would much rather the club signed a fully functioning centre forward as a stop gap between Welbeck and Ferguson.
As proven with Maupay it's not as if there's much depreciation.
Ferguson has a lot to learn, and I'm sure would be better suited out of the lime light.
But the rest of the team play better with a focal point, occupying the opposition centre backs.
 




Bold Seagull

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That seems like a hell of a jump, and actually not what I'm saying at all.

I'm just cautioning against the ridiculously over the top reaction to a kid who only turned 18 3 months ago scoring two goals for us. A large section of our fanbase seem to have decided he is the answer to our (mythical) goal scoring problems. Harry Kane went out on loan 4 times, and was still at Orient when 2 years older than Ferguson. Ferguson would surely get a load more minutes and experience playing in the Championship, or even League One, than he would with us in the Premier League.

Football fans are always in such a rush. Fortunately, the people that run our club aren't.
The flip side is we sent White out on loan for a fantastic season with Leeds while we had Duffy making mistakes galore, then White comes back and we only get 1 season out of him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but little doubt in my mind White was ready and should have played instead of Duffy that season.

Likewise, send Ferguson out on loan, has a brilliant Championship season and we’d probably have the vultures cycling like MU are around strikers right now.

Difference between us and Spurs with Kane is that they had Bale, Defoe, Adebayor, Eriksen when they were sending him out on loan. As posted above, plenty of young strikers getting in their teams at 17, 18, 19.
 


Bold Seagull

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Yep would much rather the club signed a fully functioning centre forward as a stop gap between Welbeck and Ferguson.
As proven with Maupay it's not as if there's much depreciation.
Ferguson has a lot to learn, and I'm sure would be better suited out of the lime light.
But the rest of the team play better with a focal point, occupying the opposition centre backs.
I don't disagree with you on this, you don't change transfer policy because of Ferguson being the answer, BUT, if the manager thinks and judges he is good enough to be in the first team, you do not send him out on loan. The purpose of a loan is for players not able to get into the first team who need match experience. If they're good enough for first team football, then get them in. I think we still need forward options if we can bring someone in, but in the meantime, if RDZ thinks he's good enough, are we going to argue?

Interesting your comments on Everton though, they held Man City to a draw at the weekend and limited them to a solitary goal. Did Pep bring your mum on as a sub in that one? ;)
 


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Football fans are always in such a rush. Fortunately, the people that run our club aren't.
Yes, fortunately not.

I consider myself not in the ‘fan base’ that sees EF as the ‘answer to our goal scoring problems’ - ‘mythical or not’ and have said so repeatedly for several reasons - not least because our goal scoring is better than any one else in the PL at the moment.

However, I just don’t see the logic or why people would be ‘in such a rush’ to loan off a clearly talented and by all accounts, mentally prepared, 18 year old, to a Championship side when we have the infrastructure and pathway built into our own club to a/ensure his match readiness here b/ when he has already started for us (and done his job!) and c/ when Championship football is a whole different game to PL - what is he going to learn?

He’s not an largely unknown, PL untested 25 year old from Eastern Europe, who’s never played with our first team or even cup matches. Sending him out on loan serves no purpose imo.
 




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Yes, very good points - a very different team and system now.

However, Connolly also failed to make an impact at Venezia or ‘Boro so there are personal stumbling blocks there too - like being a complete drama queen when he doesn’t get what he wants. He should not have been fast-tracked into the under 23s at the age of 17 imo, or gone out on loan to ’Boro because he wasn’t happy with the amount of game time he was getting here - he wasn’t ready - other individuals with more inner self-belief and maturity at the same age would be. Hopefully Hull or somewhere can sort it out but he’s already a really bad investment (is he still on a £20,000 pw week contract?!)

But comparing Ferguson and Connolly is still like chalk and cheese for the reasons I outlined above 😉
All true. But the damage with Connolly was all done before he went out on loan in the first place. Maybe if the loans had come first he'd be a different player now. Or, as I say, if he'd had the current team to come into with less focus on goals from the strikers.

Having said that ... suspect his attitude and personal decision making on priorities in his life were a bigger issue and entirely possible he still would have failed ultimately. One of those who has / had the talent, but loved what that talent could get him off the pitch more than actually playing on the pitch.
 


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Yes, very good points - a very different team and system now.

However, Connolly also failed to make an impact at Venezia or ‘Boro so there are personal stumbling blocks there too - like being a complete drama queen when he doesn’t get what he wants. He should not have been fast-tracked into the under 23s at the age of 17 imo, or gone out on loan to ’Boro because he wasn’t happy with the amount of game time he was getting here - he wasn’t ready - other individuals with more inner self-belief and maturity at the same age would be. Hopefully Hull or somewhere can sort it out but he’s already a really bad investment (is he still on a £20,000 pw week contract?!)

But comparing Ferguson and Connolly is still like chalk and cheese for the reasons I outlined above 😉
I would suggest the ONLY comparison between the two is that they are both contracted to Brighton and Hove Albion.
 


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The flip side is we sent White out on loan for a fantastic season with Leeds while we had Duffy making mistakes galore, then White comes back and we only get 1 season out of him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but little doubt in my mind White was ready and should have played instead of Duffy that season.

Likewise, send Ferguson out on loan, has a brilliant Championship season and we’d probably have the vultures cycling like MU are around strikers right now.

Difference between us and Spurs with Kane is that they had Bale, Defoe, Adebayor, Eriksen when they were sending him out on loan. As posted above, plenty of young strikers getting in their teams at 17, 18, 19.
Cycling vultures is something I would definitely love to see - even if it is just going round and round in circles! :lolol:

But I do get your point. :thumbsup:
 




Bold Seagull

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All true. But the damage with Connolly was all done before he went out on loan in the first place. Maybe if the loans had come first he'd be a different player now. Or, as I say, if he'd had the current team to come into with less focus on goals from the strikers.

Having said that ... suspect his attitude and personal decision making on priorities in his life were a bigger issue and entirely possible he still would have failed ultimately. One of those who has / had the talent, but loved what that talent could get him off the pitch more than actually playing on the pitch.
There was no damage done to Connolly. He showed great promise and deserved his crack at the first team. What has happened isn't damage, it's an arc of a career path that happens to many players that can show great promise, but ultimately fall short at the very highest level. Hypothetically had we sent him out on loan before scoring 2 goals against Spurs - sliding doors he might still be exactly where he is now.

One thing I would say for certain is that if you have a player good enough and can be selected for your first team and will get game time, you absolutely do not send them out on loan. There is no need. Their development is completely in your hands. Would be absolute madness to send any players RDZ wants to pick out on loan to another club.
 


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I would suggest the ONLY comparison between the two is that they are both contracted to Brighton and Hove Albion.
Yep - as I said ‘chalk and cheese’ 😉
 


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One thing I would say for certain is that if you have a player good enough and can be selected for your first team and will get game time, you absolutely do not send them out on loan. There is no need. Their development is completely in your hands. Would be absolute madness to send any players RDZ wants to pick out on loan to another club.
I share your viewpoint (as stated categorically above) but have a feeling it’s falling largely on deaf ears 😉 (btw I have to eat my hat if Buonanotte is sent out on loan and he is PL untested! 😂)
 






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I don't disagree with you on this, you don't change transfer policy because of Ferguson being the answer, BUT, if the manager thinks and judges he is good enough to be in the first team, you do not send him out on loan. The purpose of a loan is for players not able to get into the first team who need match experience. If they're good enough for first team football, then get them in. I think we still need forward options if we can bring someone in, but in the meantime, if RDZ thinks he's good enough, are we going to argue?

Interesting your comments on Everton though, they held Man City to a draw at the weekend and limited them to a solitary goal. Did Pep bring your mum on as a sub in that one? ;)
Troy Townsend was rather perplexed that Everton didn't play the same defender who man marked Halland, going instead with the less mobile Cody and Tarkers, which in turn rather played into our hands.
 


Bold Seagull

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Troy Townsend was rather perplexed that Everton didn't play the same defender who man marked Halland, going instead with the less mobile Cody and Tarkers, which in turn rather played into our hands.
Everton had only conceded 20 goals in 17 games before playing us, only 6 other teams had better defensive record. Ferguson scoring against Arsenal then Everton, then saying it was just that Everton can't defend doesn't quite ring true. Everything needs perspective and context, but I would say Coady and Tarkers being made to look akin to the Keystone Cops was something of credit to our players, not to discredit the achievement because of that.
 


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If he was starting his career today, and kept his attitude in the right place ... potentially, yes. He showed signs of having a decent talent as a striker. He's wasted it, ultimately, and I guess we'll never know how much of that was simply his attitude / personal choices that would have happened anyway, or if the attitude and choices arose out of the pressure to provide goals in a side that wasn't scoring. I don't think it helped him at all, let's put it that way. Some players would have thrived in that pressure. Connolly crumbled. Who knows what might have happened if he'd had today's midfield behind him back then.
The online abuse he got when he was too casual & had an open goal cleared off the line can't have helped him any.
 




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Whatever everyone's arguments I'm pretty certain that he'll be in the match day squad from now on.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Judging by the recent interview, Ferguson and Connolly appear to have very different personalities - Ferguson appears very humble and down to earth.
 


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