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[Football] Euros 2024 - Semi Final - Netherlands vs England
- Thread starter jcdenton08
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There are many reasons I don't gamble for money, and my compulsive personality is 90% of that, but this sort of moral dilemma takes up most of the other 10%
No. I’m saying that Southgate has been lucky with various decisions going in his favour. In my opinion, he is a mediocre manager who has benefited from this as well as the incredible squad of players he has at his disposal.
EDIT: I meant success as in Southgate’s success as opposed to England’s success
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Maybe we are just realistic enough to describe what we see in front of us a d not get caught up in the nationalistic hype.
Reserved, realistic and pessamistic is definately the English way. Makes me proud living in amongst the optimistic and deluded Australians.
Why the self loathing about our national identify?
I agree with this, winning teams need some sort of luck. Southgate has achieved an incredible feat but I’m not convinced that he is an incredible manager that some people think he is.
oldboyroy
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Spot on! It was a very good performance especially in 1st half where England really deserved to be out of sight despite the contentious penalty going our way. We battered them without scoring apart from pen. 2nd half the Dutch changed and nullified us but a super finish to deservedly put us in final. Bit of luck also needed before the winning goal as Holland should've had a corner but but goal kick given which took us up other end to score the winner!
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mikeyjh
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I'm a bit perplexed regarding the penalty - And I think I'm the minority - How can it NOT be a penalty? I haven't listened to the punditry but it appears to fall in to the category of 'anywhere else on the pitch' no argument but not a penalty?!?
m20gull
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Absolutely. Anywhere else that's a foul. Late with foot well off the ground and contact made with the player after the ball has gone. Foul and yellow card. Easy to spot with VAR and easy for a ref to miss from behind in real time.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Well I enjoyed that. All over them first half, more even second but Watkins popping up with deserved winner. Best we have played, but Spain still fill me with trepidation. Onward and Upwards 
They both go for the ball and Harry kicks Van Dijks feet as much as Virgil kicks Harry.
Not wrong to give a penalty but these situations end up in nothing most times.
Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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I have the entirely opposite opinion. Both players went for the ball, Kane got there first then there was contact. Not a foul imo, funny old game isn’t it. I’d be fuming if we conceded a pen like that.
Deportivo Seagull
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If it was the other way round would we say it was a pen? The answer would be an overwhelmingly no.
mikeyjh
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Brilliant isn't it - It's probably why it's pointless debating decisions sometimes, we can't even agree what a foul is
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- Nov 15, 2006
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Lazarus like recovery from that broken foot though
Green Cross Code Man
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It was Dumfries.
Deportivo Seagull
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Firstly, I have the humble pie in the cupboard ready to go for Sunday!
Secondly, Southgate made the subs that anyone with a rudimentary understanding of football would have made but they would have made them 10 minutes earlier. Not rocket science!
Thirdly, he needs to go against type in the final and not pick players that he feels comfortable with but those that will cause the spanish problems. Kane isn’t going to do that!
Fourthly, Netherlands were the worse team we’ve played so far which says much about the standard of European National football.
Finally, we have got where we are more by luck than judgement, but when you only have one more game, it doesn’t matter as long as you win.
Secondly, Southgate made the subs that anyone with a rudimentary understanding of football would have made but they would have made them 10 minutes earlier. Not rocket science!
Thirdly, he needs to go against type in the final and not pick players that he feels comfortable with but those that will cause the spanish problems. Kane isn’t going to do that!
Fourthly, Netherlands were the worse team we’ve played so far which says much about the standard of European National football.
Finally, we have got where we are more by luck than judgement, but when you only have one more game, it doesn’t matter as long as you win.
It wasn't Van Dijk, it was Dumfries. As for Harry kicking him - it's as if you don't watch football at all. Harry kicked the ball. Dumfries just put his studs up and missed the ball.