And then once away and once away. So that’s 4 times they’d meet
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[Football] European Super League Approval
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6458 fans In the UK if I've read the stuff correctly with similar numbers in other European countries, so less than 10% of a Utd home game.
The whole survey can be binned as not statically robust.
Perhaps the people who conducted the survey would like to question fans at each turnstile at the Amex for the Forest game, I suspect that thosr against will be like our possession stats.
They are trying to promote the league as they are paid by the likes of Barcelona. There is a big difference between being mostly in favour and somewhat in favour yet they have lumped them all into together to distort the results, probably because they know the appetite isn't in their favour. At the end of the day, let them have their super league covering Italy, Spain and Portugal. German fans and English fans won't go for it and PSG have previously come out against.
That's a typical BIG 6 attitude. You're only going to watch us blah blah bollocks.
If or rather when you pop off to play biggest cock games the rest of us will be watching proper football where there's the ability of all to progress and become successful by being a well run club.
The way it's set up currently clubs in the Championship are near bankrupting themselves in the hope of getting to the promised land. That can't be right. The average wage in L2 is £140,0000, not bad for someone working 4 mornings a week and playing a couple of games with 3 months off in the summer. Compare that to EPL average wage of £3.6m.
If the average in the EPL was reduced to £600,000 there wouldn't be a rush to leave as all the other leagues would be in a similar position.
Just another thought as well, when they buggar off, a lot of their current supporters may well start following a "second" team, where they can go and watch competitive football.
Seasider78
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- Nov 14, 2004
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Nope it’s 6458 over 15s across Europe who have reported to be fairly or very interested in football!! In person research was less than a week and the rest was online questionnaire so a very robust piece of research
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Neville's Breakfast
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Well, if you had read the post I was replying to you would have noticed it was about a European Super League potentially collapsing our domestic league. No mention of tv rights. Supporting Brighton has nothing to do with tv rights nor with who the opponent is so I was just saying that our domestic league would be fine.
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Obviously I read the post you were replying to. Very obviously.
But quite clearly our domestic league WOULD collapse without the big 6 because their armchair followers make up a massive part of the TV audience that drive the broadcast rights pricing. Don't you remember what happened 20 years ago when ITV paid for Football League rights and got it badly wrong?
Neville's Breakfast
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It would collapse the current model of over inflated tv income which has become a magnet for greedy players, dodgy agents and criminal and corrupt owners. All the things most football fans think are the ills of the game. The league would be different but we would still have our clubs to support. I would be ok with that.
stewart12
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- Jan 16, 2019
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when you say "collapse" what exactly are you describing? Football in this country disappearing? Clubs going bankrupt left right and centre? Because I think that is unlikely
you are correct that tv audiences would decline, probably quite dramatically. But I don't even think that the over reliance on TV money is particularly good for the game. The likelihood is that there would be a period of upheaval and then it would work itself out over time. There are football leagues in every country of the world and they all survive without the colossal tv deal that the Premier League attracts.
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It's happened in rugby - after Covid the TV rights weren't paid and Worcester and Wasps went bust. And what do you mean by "over reliance on TV money"? There is a reliance on TV, for sure. But that's to be expected. TV is a thing, and will always pay a premium for live events.
You're making it sound like everything is milk and honey wherever the TV deals are small. I'm sure football is just perfect in places like Slovakia and Bulgaria, but I'd rather we had the best players here, personally, along with sold out stadiums for almost every Premier League match, and regular gates of 25,000 in our division 3.
Again, this idea is for the birds. I grew up watching football in a time when games weren't shown on TV, where managers took bungs for players, the grounds were shit, the crowds were one third of what they are now and foreign players amounted to Irish, Scandinavian and a handful of Dutch. Before that, players were paid so badly that throwing games for betting syndicates wasn't unheard of. Oh, and LIVERPOOL WON EVERYTHING.
What are you talking about?
Just because you do not like the "attitude" the biggest draws in the PL here and overseas currently are United/City/Arsenal, attract large crowds home and away and most views on TV here and overseas, thats just facts.
If the PL clubs didn't need the money, why didn't they just boot them out last year? 14 votes would have done it.
So you want the average wage to drop down to League 2 levels, is that proper football?
There would be very little interest in that I am afraid, as I said, you can already get that in League 2 and the crowds are low and clubs are playing in crumbling stadiums (except a few) and on the brink - who by the way rely on money coming down.
As @Simster suggested the 80s football was shite, you seem you want a return to substandard football and collapsing stadiums through lack of investment.
Its really not a controversial view to have the super league clubs leaving would leave to clubs struggling.
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Neville's Breakfast
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I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Football for me is the clubs. It’s the pyramid, the history, the grounds and the supporters. It is not the quality of the players or their bank balances. We went to watch Marine play away at Macclesfield last Saturday. Had a brilliant day at an old fashioned football ground watching two historic clubs. There were some moments of quality football but not many. The crowd was around 3000. If and when Brighton fall on hard times again I will still go to all the aways in the North West and will enjoy it just as much against Accrington as I do against Liverpool. Really I was just saying that I don’t care who we play against so if the usual suspects are thrown out to play in the ESL that’s fine. Probably a minority view but it’s my view based on what I enjoy about football.
What an entitled load of shit.
City can't even fill their own ground-FACT
Crumbling grounds look no further than Old Trafford-FACT
I didn't at any point say wages should drop to L2 levels of £140k I stated that is their average, most of us would love that wage! I suggested £600k would still be a huge wage if that was the average in the EPL
The standard of football in the EPL would be much the same as now. Can't see many players hanging their boots up if ONLY contracts of £600k were on offer.
Talking out of your arse about crumbling grounds only a few being new. There's literally only a few old grounds left.
Its really not a controversial view to have the super league clubs leaving would leave to clubs struggling. Don't disagree however most club's struggle to keep up with the wages of the big 6, if they aren't around a better balance would appear.
So long as they are told to f*** off and banned from all home comps then good.
Indeed a point completely missed by entitled big 6 fans.
How on earth would the standard be the same in the PL as it is now if you cut wages and other leagues are paying more? Players will go where the money is, as they do at the moment.
Thankfully you don't have to take my word for it about the Football League being in serious trouble without the PL money
- There is growing frustration among EFL clubs as chair Rick Parry has insisted huge swathes of their 72 clubs will go under without financial support from the Premier League -
Finance from a TV deal and sponsorship driven by the top clubs in the PL.
Tell you what, write to Brighton and ask why they charge more money for Cat A games, more people want to go and they can and ask why the 14 didn't vote to ban the 6 who went off to the super league.
The Amex was empty yesterday, if it was V United it would have been packed.
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That's a really good idea imho.
Plus the reward of league Cup is only conference league place and none of the CL teams will be interested in that.
UEFA should move to pinch the SL format ideas as nearly as possible and before the SL try and break away.
Talking bollox again, the Amex wasn't empty by a long stretch. 31500 tickets SOLD.
If the top teams from the top European leagues all f*** off to Willy wag then all the league's will lower their wages to cut their respective cloth.
Many of the 72, as I have posted before gamble to get to the top by paying far too much to their players. If they can't live in their means who's fault is that? Again as I posted before L2 average wage is £140k that in itself is a huge wage and unrealistic. Short careers blah blah blah I hear you cry. Studies indicate that a 16 year old is likely to have 4 different careers before retiring these days.
The stupid money being paid out by the big 6 especially those with dodgy (inc. American) owners artificially raise the money needed to compete. Get rid of them then the rest can become sustainable.
Again as I posted before many of the EFL teams play in good recently developed stadiums and lower league attendances are rising, in fact over 20% from last season for the first game. Again this goes against some of the drivel you've posted. EFL football on SKY even higher viewing figures.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12936036/efl-opening-weekend-over-half-a-million-supporters-attend-matches-as-championship-league-one-and-league-two-return#:~:text=returned to action.-,A total of 543,168 supporters went to games across England,a 20.7 per cent rise.&text=TV audience figures painted a similar picture.
nicko31
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Need to do all possible to stop it, British fans hate the idea
Incorrect. For any population over 10,000, a sample size of 1,000 (ie where 10% stops being necessary) is usually considered statistically significant and gives a confidence level in the results of over 95%. There are more considerations (for example how the sample was selected) but 6458 (and that’s just UK) is enormous in terms of statistical sampling.