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Euro, Greece, Germany, etc (From FT)



larus

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Interesting reading. Looks like there's still a lot to play for in this whole single currecny issue. So glad we never joined.....
(It's by four German Economics Professors btw).
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Greece faces the threat of state bankruptcy. No longer is there any illusion that membership of Europe’s economic and monetary union provides protection from harsh realities. Since it entered the euro area in 2001, Greece has sacrificed competitiveness and amassed enormous trade deficits. Theoretically, to make up the economic ground lost in less than a decade, the Greeks would need to devalue by 40 per cent. But in a monetary union, that is impossible.

There is no shortage of proposals to help the Greeks, including assistance from other eurozone governments – a move that would contravene the “no bail-out” rule enshrined in the treaty setting up monetary union. There is, sadly, only one way to escape this vicious circle. The Greeks will have to leave the euro, recreate the drachma and re-enter the still-existing exchange rate mechanism of the European Monetary System, the so-called ERM-II, which they departed in 2001.

We do not make this statement lightly. As the four professors who took the German government to the German constitutional court in 1998 over Germany’s entry into the euro, we have a track record of straight-thinking and plain-speaking. In a landmark judgment in 1993, the constitutional court ruled that, once it came into force, monetary union had continuously to satisfy the full conditions of the “stabilisation treaty” concluded when the single currency was agreed. If it did not, the court ruled, Germany would be obliged to leave.

With this in mind, we would like to state clearly that, should eurozone governments provide assistance to Greece in a manner that contravenes the no bail-out rule, we would have no hesitation in lodging a new lawsuit at the constitutional court to enjoin Germany to depart from monetary union. In 1998, we took the government to court because we believed that some entrant countries had not sufficiently fulfilled the entry conditions and had, at least in part, manipulated statistics to secure membership.

In view of those conditions, and bearing in mind the 1993 judgment, in 1998 we called upon the court to prevent Germany from participating in monetary union. Then, our suit was rejected. Today, with the plight of the errant euro states and the statistical irregularities recognised by nearly everyone, we believe the outcome would be different.

It is reasonably clear that Greece has run out of options. The country has adopted an austerity programme of near-unprecedented severity, cutting government spending, raising taxes and depressing salaries. This programme completely ignores Keynes’ dictum that states must face crises with counter-measures to support demand. The Greek action is painfully reminiscent of Germany’s ill-fated moves to slash spending in the 1930s slump, which taught the world that cutting budgets to appease creditors in a downturn generates mass unemployment and radicalises society.

The European Union, too, has been discussing assistance, perhaps combined with a loan from the International Monetary Fund. The German government has put forward a suggestion that appears unworkable: a European Monetary Fund. Even if this were set up, it would come far too late to help the Greeks. It is in any case self-defeating. If the EMF ever saw the light of day, euro members in similar predicaments to Greece would slacken efforts to balance their books, because they would know the fund was there to help. Such an initiative would make monetary union a mechanism for throwing good money after bad.

So the Greeks have no way out but through the exit door. Restoring the drachma at a lower exchange rate would help exports and lift revenues from tourism. It would also send a message to other countries that they have to take serious steps to avoid landing in a similar predicament. Loss of confidence in Greek economics imperils all of Europe. Removing Greece from the euro provides a way of preventing a drama from becoming a tragedy – and of ensuring the survival of monetary union.
 




Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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saaf of the water
Greece will (unfortunately) never leave the Euro, simply because that would mean the end to the Euro and France/Germany will never allow that.

With the bail out secured yestesday, which include IMF as well as Eurozone Funding, Greece seems OK for now.

Big spending cuts and tax rises on there way.(More strikes too)

Euro has risen today on yesterday's news (Which is of course bad news for all those going on holiday soon.)

I personally still can't see why the Pound is so low against the Euro - it was only 4 years ago it was over 1.4 - is our Ecomomy really that weak against the Eurozone?
 


larus

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Greece will (unfortunately) never leave the Euro, simply because that would mean the end to the Euro and France/Germany will never allow that.

With the bail out secured yestesday, which include IMF as well as Eurozone Funding, Greece seems OK for now.

Big spending cuts and tax rises on there way.(More strikes too)

Euro has risen today on yesterday's news (Which is of course bad news for all those going on holiday soon.)

I personally still can't see why the Pound is so low against the Euro - it was only 4 years ago it was over 1.4 - is our Ecomomy really that weak against the Eurozone?

But that's the issue. There can't be a bail-out of other countries, otherwise it goes against the German Constitution. Therefore, this EMF fund can't be put in place, otherwise there will be a legal challenge in Germany.

Not as clear-cut as we though yesterday when this 'bail-out' was agreed.
 


But that's the issue. There can't be a bail-out of other countries, otherwise it goes against the German Constitution. Therefore, this EMF fund can't be put in place, otherwise there will be a legal challenge in Germany.

Not as clear-cut as we though yesterday when this 'bail-out' was agreed.

No, it's just four raving anti-EU professors using every tool at their disposal to try to get their way. I'm surprised that the FT printed that nonsense.
 


cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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But that's the issue. There can't be a bail-out of other countries, otherwise it goes against the German Constitution. Therefore, this EMF fund can't be put in place, otherwise there will be a legal challenge in Germany.

Not as clear-cut as we though yesterday when this 'bail-out' was agreed.


Jeez, there seems to be little any national Government wouldn't do to appease those in control of the European project, just ask the Irish, or the French, Dutch or Danes.

Fact is the project is political, always has been and always will be, and financial union was just another means to support the final political end.

Those German people who are not distracted by their own version of X Factor (or whatever) will recognise another 'slight of hand' from their political masters and in time (when their money is worth less) they will turn towards a more radical political/non political alternative to get their voice heard.

It will happen elsewhere in Europe due course and with varying amounts of bloodshed we'll see the break up of the Empire....................nothing lasts forever.

Happy Christmas.
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,512
I have a simple solution. The Turks have been desperate to join the EU. Then tell then the answer is to buy their way in by bailing out Greece. They'd bite Brussels' hand off at the chance to own Greece's ass.
 


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