EU Referendum NSC opinion poll 2015

[cunning fergus]

No doubt, the labour and running costs are considerably lower in Turkey than the UK, as anywhere else in the EU. Thus being costs effective versus the relinquishing free trade rights within the EU. It's no different to call centres moving to India etc. So the UK's labour/production costs should drop to well below the EU, so we should then leave the EU and drop our standards of living down to the level of Turkey to attract multinational corporations such as ford?

I'm not sure what your point is?

I was responding to a post that indicated jobs would be safer and business costs will be lower if we stay in the EU.

Neither point is unequivocally correct, as the Ford example demonstrates.

I don't deny the realities of globalisation, companies are run by capitalists so they will do what they will to generate profit for their shareholders, whether closing factories in the EU to move to Turkey or call centres to India.

Whether or not the UK would be better off in the EU or not in relation to dealing with globalisation is moot........no doubt you think it would be.

The fact that you think living standards in the UK are helped by being in the EU is also moot, it certainly has not been good for the working class, particularly unskilled workers.

Not that I expect pro EU tories to give a f@ck about them.

 

[Captain Sensible]

I'm not sure what your point is?

I was responding to a post that indicated jobs would be safer and business costs will be lower if we stay in the EU.

Neither point is unequivocally correct, as the Ford example demonstrates.

I don't deny the realities of globalisation, companies are run by capitalists so they will do what they will to generate profit for their shareholders, whether closing factories in the EU to move to Turkey or call centres to India.

Whether or not the UK would be better off in the EU or not in relation to dealing with globalisation is moot........no doubt you think it would be.

The fact that you think living standards in the UK are helped by being in the EU is also moot, it certainly has not been good for the working class, particularly unskilled workers.

Not that I expect pro EU tories to give a f@ck about them.

Your point about ford was pretty isolated as [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] pointed out, versus the vast majority companies that choose to settle and do business within the EU and its free trade area.

 

[cunning fergus]

Your point about ford was pretty isolated as [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] pointed out, versus the vast majority companies that choose to settle and do business within the EU and its free trade area.

No I didn't I provided two, but if you were honest you don't care about the workers in this debate, it's all about the money and the veneration of corporatism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-EU-unless-Cameron-secures-major-reforms.html

http://bankwatch.org/bwmail/54/asleep-wheel-ford-cuts-jobs-europe-eus-bank-delivers-ford-turkey

The loss of thousands of jobs is as consequence of the EU is something you can't comprehend because it's not part of the orthodoxy is it.........whether it's British fishermen whose livelihoods have gone as a consequence of EU quotas or dairy farmers now because of EU sanctions.

No wonder they call your lot the nasty party........I bet you can't wait for TTIP? The sooner the NHS is privatised the better I guess, any job losses arising from this just another isolated case yes?

 

[neilbard]

Its time to withdraw from this farse we call the European Union

 

[beorhthelm]

it is going to be interesting how TTIP plays in this, with final draft due out in new year. a lot of voices dont seem to like many of the provisions in it, while EU supporters tell us that such bloc negotiations are an inherent advantage of membership. when both these groups are tending towards the left, i foresee some discomfort for some.

 

[Eeyore]

I vote for IN as I like he common principle of the EU. However, I don't take issue with those who want out. The whole structure needs looking at and many reforms made.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No I didn't I provided two

Okay. Land grabbing in Cambodia, using child labour.....I can see why Tate and Lyle would prefer less regulation.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Its time to withdraw from this farse we call the European Union

It is very difficult to give any weight to the opinions of those who cannot even spell a five letter word correctly.

 

[pastafarian]

I vote for IN as I like he common principle of the EU. However, I don't take issue with those who want out. The whole structure needs looking at and many reforms made.

I would also vote in if our membership was based purely on a trade agreement,
I am against our loss of sovereign and judicial powers.

I am a tory voting type that believes in the free market economy and capitalism (I don’t agree with tax avoiders in Luxembourg or cheap labour enablers ) but am quite comfortable with and happy to promote the socialist/trade union stance on The EU of protecting British jobs for British workers.

There is no conflict of interest in my mind. It’s a shame the likes of Corbyn wont stick to core values and will instead promote being part of the big business/capitalist money grabbing gravy train that is the EU. Im only slightly disappointed he didn’t join in into the anti EU brigade. The thousands of genuine socialists that joined his campaign on his long held message of anti capitalism must be fuming he caved in so early.

 

[cunning fergus]

Okay. Land grabbing in Cambodia, using child labour.....I can see why Tate and Lyle would prefer less regulation.

Ok, so if I follow the line of travel, your view is that workers jobs are fair game on the basis of unethical conduct by the Boards of companies they work for?

I doubt if the hundreds of largely low skilled workers for Tate and Lyle in Silvertown London will understand that sentiment despite probably not supporting the conduct of their Boards, in their search for more profit for themselves and their shareholders.

I guess the same point can apply to the tens of thousands of VW workers in Germany these days.............no doubt you will agree?

 

[BigGully]

]I vote for IN as I like he common principle of the EU[/B]. However, I don't take issue with those who want out. The whole structure needs looking at and many reforms made.

Unless you can time travel back to 1972, I think it has all moved on to a place where this principle got lost over a generation ago.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

All I want to know is where has Westdean Seagull gone? I'm worried about him.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

All I want to know is where has Westdean Seagull gone? I'm worried about him.

So touching - would be nice if you could actually spell the suburbs of Brighton and Hove though.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ok, so if I follow the line of travel, your view is that workers jobs are fair game on the basis of unethical conduct by the Boards of companies they work for?

Obviously not. I'm just pointing out that I can understand why a company with many dubious practices in far flung parts of the world might be interested in less scrutiny.

 

[Buzzer]

It's worth noting that most, if not all those who have said that they want to stay in the EU have also said that it needs changing fundamentally but we all know that will never happen. The EU is both literally and figuratively a law unto itself and numerous Prime Ministers have tried and failed to reform it. And the answer quite simply is because the EU is merely a vehicle to wed Germany and France so close together that the Germans don't try to invade France again. As such it serves their interests and the EU doesn't care about concerns about accountability, corruption, lack of involvement, the weakening of sovereign powers...

The EU will never reform, the behemoth will just get bigger and more monstrous. Make no mistake about it, if you vote to keep Britain in the EU then the Eurocrats will take that as vindication of their actions and it will be more of the same.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I doubt if the hundreds of largely low skilled workers for Tate and Lyle in Silvertown London will understand that sentiment despite probably not supporting the conduct of their Boards, in their search for more profit for themselves and their shareholders.

You seem to be suggesting that business can do what it likes as long as provides jobs? Is this correct?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So touching - would be nice if you could actually spell the suburbs of Brighton and Hove though.

It's not just me then

 

[Lincoln Imp]

So touching - would be nice if you could actually spell the suburbs of Brighton and Hove though.

Oh bugger. Still, at least it gives me a chance to apologise to you for making a mistake.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Oh bugger. Still, at least it gives me a chance to apologise to you for making a mistake.

Ha ha - who the hell decided there should be different spellings of dene/dean eh ? Bloody English !

 

[cunning fergus]

Obviously not. I'm just pointing out that I can understand why a company with many dubious practices in far flung parts of the world might be interested in less scrutiny.

Yes, there's a lot of it about......

http://www.dw.com/en/brazil-torture-lawsuit-against-vw/a-18731165

What do you expect from capitalists.......if they are not land grabbing or supporting murderous regimes they are avoiding taxes.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/082ab242-5c45-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html

What a lark eh?