[Politics] EU Elections. Where is your X ?

[Wardy's twin]

Sigh ....................

I will repeat the answer that you and your chums seem to be incapable of understanding. After weighing up all the pros and cons, I do not want to be in the EU. Too difficult I guess.

I genuinely am not bothered whether the likes of Rees-Mogg are pleased or not.

I am more than capable of understanding and have an open mind on Europe all I need is to have someone convince me how life will be better outside the EU , so far no one has been able to do that.

 

[Stat Brother]

"Not even a party"

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[Two Professors]

It was never going to happen from the moment Ppf, Two Profs and Baker lite decided it was a good idea

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Is that the UK Green Party MEP's?A hint towards your voting intentions?

 

[Baker lite]

Maybe they are looking to the future instead of the past?

If the illiberal party are the future then we are all ****ed..

 

[LadySeagull]

''Now the fact that (before the vote) I saw no remain candidate setting out as food for thought, the most knotty issue, the Ireland question, was their bad. Their omission''.

No, it's yours. It was mentioned plenty over the course of several months in the run-up to the vote, by both sides. Google "2016 Irish Border warning" for a selection of the arguments which were put out there but you managed to miss.

Next, you will have me believe you remember it...! Never mind Googling it after the event.

It was NOT something that was used in the forefront of the remain campaign. I am the first to admit - whilst I still want us to leave the EU - it should have been.

 

[GT49er]

I am more than capable of understanding and have an open mind on Europe all I need is to have someone convince me how life will be better outside the EU , so far no one has been able to do that.

OK, vote remain then, I don't mind; you have a perfect right to do so - or if you just don't know, don't bother voting at all. All I have is 40 years experience of wishing I wasn't in the EU - and I remember the bullshit that was flung about in the 1975 referendum campaign. That's more than enough for me.

 

[Mtoto]

Next, you will have me believe you remember it...! Never mind Googling it after the event.

It was NOT something that was used in the forefront of the remain campaign. I am the first to admit - whilst I still want us to leave the EU - it should have been.

Absolutely I remember the Irish border being raised as an issue, on many occasions. It's the only land border between the UK and the EU, and it's written into the Good Friday Agreement that it will remain completely invisible in perpetuity - how could it not be mentioned? I also remember Leave campaigners dismissing concerns about returning to a hard border and the inevitable threat to peace as "more project fear", because there was no need for a border as we were "going to leave with the easiest deal in history", "German car manufacturers knocking down Mrs Merkel's door", "they need us more than we need them" etc etc. All of which has proved to be Grade A bullsh*t.

If you didn't pick up on it, either you'd already made up your mind before the campaign started, or your engagement with it was more superficial than it might (or should?) have been.

 

[Stat Brother]

Absolutely I remember the Irish border being raised as an issue, on many occasions. It's the only land border between the UK and the EU, and it's written into the Good Friday Agreement that it will remain completely invisible in perpetuity - how could it not be mentioned? I also remember Leave campaigners dismissing concerns about returning to a hard border and the inevitable threat to peace as "more project fear", because there was no need for a border as we were "going to leave with the easiest deal in history", "German car manufacturers knocking down Mrs Merkel's door", "they need us more than we need them" etc etc. All of which has proved to be Grade A bullsh*t.

If you didn't pick up on it, either you'd already made up your mind before the campaign started, or your engagement with it was more superficial than it might (or should?) have been.

Careful now.

It could be read that you are defending the Remain campaign while attacking the ineptitude of Leave.

If Remain wasnt so ignorant of the (rather ironically ignorant) populous the Remain campaign would have been considerably better at explaining the benefits of the EU.
Telling us exactly how leaving that would effect everybody and showing the lies of the opposition.

I was somewhat ignorant of the EU before and during the campaign.
TBH i only voted Remain because all the racists want to Leave.
Had the campaign been fit and proper im sure not a drop of milkshake would be spilt now and we wouldnt be lead my Mrs May.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Absolutely I remember the Irish border being raised as an issue, on many occasions. It's the only land border between the UK and the EU, and it's written into the Good Friday Agreement that it will remain completely invisible in perpetuity - how could it not be mentioned? I also remember Leave campaigners dismissing concerns about returning to a hard border and the inevitable threat to peace as "more project fear", because there was no need for a border as we were "going to leave with the easiest deal in history", "German car manufacturers knocking down Mrs Merkel's door", "they need us more than we need them" etc etc. All of which has proved to be Grade A bullsh*t.

If you didn't pick up on it, either you'd already made up your mind before the campaign started, or your engagement with it was more superficial than it might (or should?) have been.

Britain (England) v Germany
Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Porsche.
"They need us more than we need them".
Just about sums up the British and the leave voters.
The type that fly the St George flag in their back garden.
And if people want to buy one of those cars, they will anyway.
But as you say it was more project fear.

 

[The Clamp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48347371

Doing ever so well aren’t we.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48347371

Doing ever so well aren’t we.

In April, British Steel borrowed £100m from the government to enable it to pay an EU carbon bill, so it could avoid a steep fine.

EU Carbon Bill, another way for the EU to fill their bank account.

 

[The Clamp]

In April, British Steel borrowed £100m from the government to enable it to pay an EU carbon bill, so it could avoid a steep fine.

EU Carbon Bill, another way for the EU to fill their bank account.

Yes, a bill it couldn’t afford because orders had dwindled to virtually nothing due to Brexit. A bill I might add, that’s designed to protect the environment. So, um, get a clue.

You can read the facts here, should you choose to do so.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/410ec38a-5eb4-11e9-b285-3acd5d43599e

 

[daveinplzen]

In April, British Steel borrowed £100m from the government to enable it to pay an EU carbon bill, so it could avoid a steep fine.

EU Carbon Bill, another way for the EU to fill their bank account.

Wny couldnt it pay the bill?

Anyway, better to **** the planet that lose a blue passport.

Edit: The reason they had to borrow has already been pointed out.

 

[highflyer]

If the illiberal party are the future then we are all ****ed..

LibDems behaving (again) rather badly in Lewes by all accounts

Greens are looking likely to be the potential block to the far right coalition exerting real power in the EP so if you genuinely want to think about who you vote for and why (rather than a knee-jerk reaction to how you feel this week) that's something to be aware of...

 

[Is it PotG?]

Yes, a bill it couldn’t afford because orders had dwindled to virtually nothing due to Brexit. A bill I might add, that’s designed to protect the environment. So, um, get a clue.

But Brexit, which 'caused this', has not happened. How does that work?

How can something that has not taken place, apart from being used as an excuse or political football, affect this. Unless it IS just an excuse of course.

Maybe the coal mines would still be in full flow if it weren't for this pesky Brexit.

 

[The Clamp]

But Brexit, which 'caused this', has not happened. How does that work?

How can something that has not taken place, apart from being used as an excuse or political football, affect this. Unless it IS just an excuse of course.

Maybe the coal mines would still be in full flow if it weren't for this pesky Brexit.

Hmm, I’m not sure you are being wholly serious here? I can’t imagine anyone being quite so ignorant. However, on the chance you are being serious, the uncertainty of Brexit has impacted trade, the value of the pound and global faith in the U.K.
Brexit is a concept as well as a process.
The uncertainty of Brexit has had a devastating effect on U.K. markets.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Hmm, I’m not sure you are being wholly serious here? I can’t imagine anyone being quite so ignorant. However, on the chance you are being serious, the uncertainty of Brexit has impacted trade, the value of the pound and global faith in the U.K.
Brexit is a concept as well as a process.
The uncertainty of Brexit has had a devastating effect on U.K. markets.

So what you're saying then, and correct me if I'm wrong, that it's the UNCERTAINTY casing this so called steel meltdown? Ergo, if the referendum result had been accepted and processed smoothly and quickly, all would be good in the steel world?,

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-in-us-after-money-laundering-sting-gzcdcj23l

A disgraced former aide to Nigel Farage who was jailed in America for offering to launder money for drug lords is a fundraiser for the Brexit Party, it can be revealed.

George Cottrell, a 25-year-old aristocrat known as “Posh George”, served as Ukip’s head of fundraising until his arrest by federal agents on charges of extortion, money laundering and fraud in 2016.

Since his release from a federal prison in Arizona after agreeing a plea deal, he has avoided appearing with Farage. However, a senior source in the Brexit Party said he had reprised his role as one of his top fundraisers.

Do Brexit Party voters think this is okay, or not so much? Serious question.

 

[The Clamp]

So what you're saying then, and correct me if I'm wrong, that it's the UNCERTAINTY casing this so called steel meltdown? Ergo, if the referendum result had been accepted and processed smoothly and quickly, all would be good in the steel world?,

Brexit has pushed it into administration. Other factors have played their part. Brexit uncertainty killed it.

 

[CHAPPERS]

So what you're saying then, and correct me if I'm wrong, that it's the UNCERTAINTY casing this so called steel meltdown? Ergo, if the referendum result had been accepted and processed smoothly and quickly, all would be good in the steel world?,

If you think of CERTAINTY on a spectrum Remain would be CERTAIN and No Deal would be UNCERTAIN, with Leave with some kind of Deal somewhere in the middle, but more UNCERTAIN than CERTAIN. I reckon.