EU and Turkey

[La` Cucaracha¤]

Turkey has a fairly strong economy and would be welcome into the EU if that was the only issue. However, it is not.

There are human Rights issues in parts of Turkey which precludes it from entering the EU. Their treatment of the Curds in the North of the country. Their prison systems break Human rights regulations and in some parts of the country, young females are denied access to schooling but Turkey refuses to address these issues. Successive Governments in Turkey have tried to appease the EU but there reforms don't go far enough to satisfy other EU members.

They do try and they actually pay our home office lots of money to go out and advise on what reforms need to be done. I have friends currently out there at the moment advising on how to reform their prison system. The major issue is the Curds in the north. Many of their Activists are in Turkish prisons and the West take issue with the fact they are not actually convicted of anything

We've enough Kebab shops so what can the Turks offer the Uk apart from hundreds of thousands of more Kebab shops?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

This is all very good news in my opinion

 

[symyjym]

We've enough Kebab shops so what can the Turks offer the Uk apart from hundreds of thousands of more Kebab shops?

NooBHA gave you a good run down on the poilitics of Turkey, and all you can think about is kebab shops

 

[La` Cucaracha¤]

NooBHA gave you a good run down on the poilitics of Turkey, and all you can think about is kebab shops

Think you're missing the point completely. The government keeps banging the drum about obesity and adults need to eat healthy as it's costing the 'World Heath Service' billions a year but they are happy to allow takeaways to operate freely when it's one of the main causes of obesity. Tax i suppose.

 

[symyjym]

Think you're missing the point completely. The government keeps banging the drum about obesity and adults need to eat healthy as it's costing the 'World Heath Service' billions a year but they are happy to allow takeaways to operate freely when it's one of the main causes of obesity. Tax i suppose.

Who's missing the point

 

[Cian]

Turkey has been slowly trudging through the EU accession 'chapters' process for years now, maybe decades - the first step has long since been taken. I suspect there's another decade or two to go.

Cyprus will have to be sorted out before they have even the vaguest chance of getting in.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yet another European leader summit in Brussels. These meetings now take place so regularly that it is now a substitute for cabinet government at an European Union (EU) level. This time, quite out of the blue, without any rumours or warning, comes an astonishing Turkey-EU migrant deal. This I believe verges on insanity.

It is true to say that Turkey has had to bear a heavy burden for the ongoing civil war in Syria. There are something like two million displaced people who are living in Turkey and many of them have been there now for several years. This marks quite a contrast with countries like Saudi Arabia who have refused to lift a finger to help one of their fellow Muslims.

The EU plan is to give an extra €3 billion to Turkey to help with the treatment and facilities available to these displaced people.

And the UK contribution to this will be upwards of €300 million. There is of course no guarantee that because Turkey has more money to help these people that it will be able to prevent them from heading onwards to Europe. The EU policy has now clearly changed from welcoming anyone that sets foot on European soil to talking this week about a military wing to Frontex, the EU border agency. I can see why the EU thinks that this is the right thing to do. Personally, I think it will make little difference.

What is really amazing is that we have learnt overnight that the accession process for Turkey to become a full member of the European Union is to be speeded up. I have no doubt that David Cameron will be delighted. He has been for over ten years, along with George Osborne, the strongest cheerleader for Turkey to become an EU member.

The first step towards this is that from as early as next year, 75 million Turks, most of whom are even poorer than those that live in Romania and Bulgaria, will have visa-free access to the Schengen area. It is quite extraordinary that such a massive decision can have been made so suddenly.

Even if the €3 billion was to prevent the current migrant tide, visa-free access means that will be replaced if not surpassed by a new migrant tide. Perhaps the effect of all of this will be a doubling of the numbers getting into the EU from Turkey.

No doubt the UK government will use the defence that we are not in the Schengen area. But as we know the results of this will be an even bigger camp at Calais, the possibility of Turks getting EU passports, and ultimately when they become a full member, total free access to the United Kingdom. Those who’re thinking about voting for Britain to remain a member of the European Union had better think very hard about how many more schools, hospitals and houses they think its acceptable for us to build ahead of Turkish entry.

It would be irresponsible to wait and leave our public services so vulnerable. Over the last ten years net migration has averaged a quarter of million a year. I think on current trends and potential Turkish membership we can confidently expect a huge increase in what is already unacceptable.

Pity that this is a cut and paste of a Nigel Farage article, presented as your own. Whose words did you use for your contribution regarding kebab shops?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Pity that this is a cut and paste of a Nigel Farage article, presented as your own. Whose words did you use for your contribution regarding kebab shops?

Maybe this is Palace Troll Farage himself

 

[La` Cucaracha¤]

Pity that this is a cut and paste of a Nigel Farage article, presented as your own. Whose words did you use for your contribution regarding kebab shops?

Ran out of time to edit and put the link but have a look at the small print and you'll know the agreement to be true.Can point you in the right direction for the agreement if you like.

 

[symyjym]

Ran out of time to edit and put the link but have a look at the small print and you'll know the agreement to be true.Can point you in the right direction for the agreement if you like.

What a load of Kebab shops.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Ran out of time to edit and put the link but have a look at the small print and you'll know the agreement to be true.Can point you in the right direction for the agreement if you like.

You didn't answer the question about the kebab shops. Was it Bernard Manning?

Perhaps you were in too much of a hurry to rush off and start a thread about the "African Invasion" of Europe, with an accompanying report of a ghastly murder and a picture of a black man. This is becoming deeply unpleasant.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well yes, these were the reasons for most EU governments being against Turkish membership. Margaret Thatcher was a great enthusiast for extending eastwards of course.

She was but context is everything. Her vision, the one the UK joined in the first place, was an economic union. It makes sense to make that bigger with Turkey. It was not about political union

 

[Lincoln Imp]

She was but context is everything. Her vision, the one the UK joined in the first place, was an economic union. It makes sense to make that bigger with Turkey. It was not about political union

Well yes, and the context of this thread is the movement of labour.

Leading on from that... "The Treaty of Paris (1951)[4] establishing the European Coal and Steel Community established a right to free movement for workers in these industries and the Treaty of Rome (1957)[5] provided a right for the free movement of workers within the European Economic Community."

The free movement of labour is one of the founding cornerstones of what is now the European Union. Many free market conservatives, among others, have long applauded the liberalising of the movement of labour, services, goods and capital and it is a bit rich for people to keep on complaining "We woz misled" on this issue.

 

[beorhthelm]

She was but context is everything. Her vision, the one the UK joined in the first place, was an economic union. It makes sense to make that bigger with Turkey. It was not about political union

there was a bit more than that, the polcy was to dilute the power of the Franco-German core. though they havent quite worked in our favour generally, with the way the Greece and refugee crisis have gone down has shown this in action, with the eastern nations not allowing Germany to have their own way.

The free movement of labour is one of the founding cornerstones of what is now the European Union. Many free market conservatives, among others, have long applauded the liberalising of the movement of labour, services, goods and capital and it is a bit rich for people to keep on complaining "We woz misled" on this issue.

the issue is the corruption of movement of labour to movement of people, not necessarily with a job. and of course the movement of capital has lead to problems with where large companies pay their taxes.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I agree with much of the post above - things need putting right in Brussels as much as Westminster. I mentioned these very old treaties in response to the refrain that the poor Britsh people were duped by nasty foreigners, all of us by all of them.

 

[Soulman]

Like the humour. Yes, it would be an absolute disaster for Europe. My thinking is to head for the exit with each day that passes.

Yep, the EU are pulling the strings, making and trying to force decisions on others.

European Union’s (EU) grand plans for forced migration quotas spinning into action were indeed arranged by, and funded by the European Commission, in a propaganda effort that clearly went awry. The relocation of migrants from Italy to Sweden was very nearly abandoned after most of the migrants tried to run off.


The original plan, to move 33 Eritreans from Italy to Sweden, saw 14 of them abscond, and the remaining 19 moved and then kept “under lock and key” in the lead up to the publicity stunt. Regardless, a Commission report handed to EU leaders last night, seen by The Times, hailed the pantomime as “an important symbolic moment which marked the start of a new European approach to the way we treat asylum applications”. They added: “However, beyond symbolism, relocations now need to become systematic, routine business in Italy and in Greece.”


This is unlikely, as the very feasibility of a forced relocation scheme within the Schengen area is now beginning to be called into question, as Greece and Italy have completely given up trying to send migrants to Luxembourg because so many of them demand to go to their preferred destination of Germany. “The quotas are not so people can go asylum shopping,” one EU diplomat told The Times. “If you say you are escaping war, you can’t refuse to go to Luxembourg. It is making a joke out of the whole quota system.”


The newspaper also reported that the attempted relocation of more than 30 migrants to Luxembourg – one of the continent’s richest nations – has been completely abandoned because “very many” demanded Germany instead. Unsurprisingly there have also been problems trying to get migrants to go to Estonia, which resisted the quota system, as authorities in Greece and Italy are reluctant to force migrants to do so. “Very many refugees are not keen to come to Luxembourg,” confessed Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission and architect of the quota scheme, whose home country is Luxembourg.


“It should not be a challenge for people fleeing their country of origin to ask them to come to Luxembourg,” he said, briefing MEPs on Wednesday evening, expressing his naive, or forced, surprise. The quota scheme, which proposes to relocate 120,000 migrants into nation, was forced through the European Parliament in September, against the will of Eastern nations, Portugal and the UK, using a shady and undemocratic mechanism called qualified majority voting.


As of now, just six EU countries – Austria, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Sweden and Spain – have declared themselves ready to actually accept any. “The first relocations of people in clear need of protection have taken place, but much work is still needed to ensure that a substantial flow of several hundreds of relocations per month quickly follows,” said a Commission report handed out last night.

www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/16...unt-eu-funded-nearly-half-migrants-absconded/

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Goodness, third time this thread that a poster has simply cut and pasted rather than taking the trouble to write something themselves. I'm sure they would claim that the reproduced words exactly reflect their own views but even so... Is this a new trend?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

It's just one disaster after another with the EU. So now the Visa restrictions for Turkey have been relaxed, that's even more people entering the EU on top of the thousands of Genuine Refugees and Economic Migrants. There is absolutely no way Turkey can hold back the sheer number of people, they don't want Turkey they want the EU at any cost, and don't be surprised this end when our migration figures start hitting the 400,000 - 500,000 mark every year, which doesn't include the thousands of Asylum Seekers trying to break in the UK illegally. The game is now up on the EU. Every single problem with immigration goes back to the EU.

 

[Soulman]

Goodness, third time this thread that a poster has simply cut and pasted rather than taking the trouble to write something themselves. I'm sure they would claim that the reproduced words exactly reflect their own views but even so... Is this a new trend?

Of course it is my views, that is why i cut and pasted it. So what happens when posters put up their own views, the plums come back with "source", "where is the proof", "facts" etc. In short opinions do not seem to be allowed without "evidence"...... so yes the easy way is to cut and paste views that obviously "reflect their own views".

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Of course it is my views, that is why i cut and pasted it. So what happens when posters put up their own views, the plums come back with "source", "where is the proof", "facts" etc. In short opinions do not seem to be allowed without "evidence"...... so yes the easy way is to cut and paste views that obviously "reflect their own views".

Fair enough if that's how you feel. Certainly save a load of time writing. We can just paste press releases and things.