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EU and AstraZeneca
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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apparently France isnt even planning to vaccinate 65-75 until March, while refusal to licence for over 65yo means the AZ vaccine will sit on the shelf. across europe the smears against AZ vaccine has worked, as people are refusing it. what a mess.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Wouldn't happen in Germany..............
Germany's biggest-selling newspaper has praised Britain's vaccine success and Boris Johnson's plans to lift the lockdown, with a front-page headline saying: 'Dear Brits, we envy you!'.
The article in Bild said the UK's 'successful' vaccine programme had allowed the PM to promise a brighter future while Germany is 'stuck in lockdown' and Angela Merkel's government is languishing behind in handing out vaccine doses.
The German gloom marks a stark turnaround from earlier months of the pandemic when Merkel was widely praised for her handling of the crisis, Johnson heavily criticised and Germany kept its death toll significantly below Britain's.
Bild's front-page headline has the words 'we envy you', partly in English, superimposed over the Union Jack - with a caption saying that 'the English have announced their return to normality on June 21... and here there's no hope'.
The article describes Britons as 'just plain happy', adding that they had 'reacted with overwhelming euphoria' to the PM's announcement on Monday.
'It means: Normal life is coming back! FREEDOM!,' the article published in Wednesday's paper says.
'That's made possible by the successful vaccination campaign,' it says, noting that more than 17.7million people have received a jab in the UK compared to 3.4million in larger Germany.
The article goes on: 'While the Brits are already planning their summer holidays, Germany is stuck in lockdown.
'That's because chancellor Angela Merkel, who as recently as Monday was holding out the prospect of loosening lockdown, sounded the alarm again yesterday.'
Merkel told party colleagues on Tuesday that 'we are now in the third wave', warning that any easing of lockdown after March 7 could only take place gradually.
A second Bild article describes Johnson's plans as a 'Corona-Brexit', and asks: 'When will we catch up to the Brits?'.
'The deficit is growing: at the moment the Brits are vaccinating nearly three times as many people per day,' it says.
'Herd immunity on the island [meaning Britain] certainly appears in sight. And that's why the Brits want to open up.'
Health minister who clashed with Merkel over jab shambles 'fights for his career' as she 'takes revenge'
German health minister Jens Spahn is said to be 'fighting for his career' after overseeing a shambolic vaccine roll-out, clashing with Angela Merkel and failing to deliver on a promised rapid-testing scheme.
Spahn, who only months ago was being feted by those marvelling at Germany's early success against the pandemic, has seen his approval rating slide five points in a month amid the vaccination chaos and a grinding two-month lockdown.
Merkel's decision to postpone a major rapid testing roll-out which Spahn had promised to bring in on March 1 has prompted talk of 'revenge' in German media - after the chancellor accused him of trying to shift blame for the vaccine fiasco to Brussels.
With Bild now describing Spahn as a 'ministerial flop', the 40-year-old - who was seen as an outside contender in the race to succeed Merkel as chancellor later this year - is said to be 'frustrated' and 'bewildered' by the setbacks to his career.
Like the rest of the EU, Germany is lagging far behind the UK in its vaccine roll-out - with Merkel's government under fire for delegating the task to Brussels.
While Britain has given out 27.0 doses per 100 people, Germany has managed only 6.2, only fractionally above the EU average.
Spahn's promises of five million doses by the end of January and a jab for all care home residents by the middle of February were also not met.
A leaked letter last month revealed how Spahn and some of his fellow health ministers had handed the vaccine task to the European Commission last June.
But according to Bild, that led Merkel to suspect that Spahn had organised the leak in order to deflect blame for the slow progress being made in Germany.
Merkel is since thought to have brought responsibility for the vaccine programme into the chancellor's office, limiting Spahn's authority.
While Merkel has come under fire for letting Brussels take the lead in the vaccine race, the EU's supply problems have been made worse by many Germans' reluctance to take the AstraZeneca vaccine after European leaders voiced doubts about the jab.
Germany was among the countries which refused to let over-65s take the jab because of limited trial data, in contrast to Britain where real-world data this week showed the jab cutting hospitalisations in Scotland by 94 per cent.
Emmanuel Macron added fuel to the fire in France by casting doubt on the jab's effectiveness and claiming that Britain had taken a risk by approving it so quickly.
Merkel's office is now pleading with Germans to take the AstraZeneca shot after only 187,000 of the jabs were administered out of the first 1.5million delivered.
'The vaccine from AstraZeneca is both safe and highly effective,' Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said on Monday. 'The vaccine can save lives.'
EU chief Ursula von on der Leyen has now joined in that effort, saying that she herself would take the vaccine despite her earlier feud with the company.
'I would take the AstraZeneca vaccine without a second thought, just like Moderna's and BioNTech/Pfizer's products,' von der Leyen told the Augsburger Allgemeine.
The EU's AstraZeneca problems are set to continue into the spring, with as many as 90million doses expected to be missing from shipments in the second quarter of 2021.
An EU official involved in talks with the firm says the company has warned that it may deliver only half of its promised 180million doses from April to June.
It comes after Brussels reacted with fury last month when AstraZeneca said it would cut deliveries to the bloc because of delays at a Belgian factory.
After AstraZeneca warned of shortfalls but continued to supply Britain in full, the EU published its contract with the firm and claimed to have cast-iron commitments.
Brussels also imposed export controls on jab shipments leaving the bloc, but was forced into retreat after initially saying they would apply to Northern Ireland.
But AstraZeneca's CEO blamed the delays on the fact that the EU had not signed a contract until three months after Britain had tied up a deal last year.
AstraZeneca is not exporting vaccines made in the UK, in line with its separate contract with the British government.
But AstraZeneca has told the EU it could provide more doses from its global supply chain, including from India and the United States, an EU official said last week.
Germany's biggest-selling newspaper has praised Britain's vaccine success and Boris Johnson's plans to lift the lockdown, with a front-page headline saying: 'Dear Brits, we envy you!'.
The article in Bild said the UK's 'successful' vaccine programme had allowed the PM to promise a brighter future while Germany is 'stuck in lockdown' and Angela Merkel's government is languishing behind in handing out vaccine doses.
The German gloom marks a stark turnaround from earlier months of the pandemic when Merkel was widely praised for her handling of the crisis, Johnson heavily criticised and Germany kept its death toll significantly below Britain's.
Bild's front-page headline has the words 'we envy you', partly in English, superimposed over the Union Jack - with a caption saying that 'the English have announced their return to normality on June 21... and here there's no hope'.
The article describes Britons as 'just plain happy', adding that they had 'reacted with overwhelming euphoria' to the PM's announcement on Monday.
'It means: Normal life is coming back! FREEDOM!,' the article published in Wednesday's paper says.
'That's made possible by the successful vaccination campaign,' it says, noting that more than 17.7million people have received a jab in the UK compared to 3.4million in larger Germany.
The article goes on: 'While the Brits are already planning their summer holidays, Germany is stuck in lockdown.
'That's because chancellor Angela Merkel, who as recently as Monday was holding out the prospect of loosening lockdown, sounded the alarm again yesterday.'
Merkel told party colleagues on Tuesday that 'we are now in the third wave', warning that any easing of lockdown after March 7 could only take place gradually.
A second Bild article describes Johnson's plans as a 'Corona-Brexit', and asks: 'When will we catch up to the Brits?'.
'The deficit is growing: at the moment the Brits are vaccinating nearly three times as many people per day,' it says.
'Herd immunity on the island [meaning Britain] certainly appears in sight. And that's why the Brits want to open up.'
Health minister who clashed with Merkel over jab shambles 'fights for his career' as she 'takes revenge'
German health minister Jens Spahn is said to be 'fighting for his career' after overseeing a shambolic vaccine roll-out, clashing with Angela Merkel and failing to deliver on a promised rapid-testing scheme.
Spahn, who only months ago was being feted by those marvelling at Germany's early success against the pandemic, has seen his approval rating slide five points in a month amid the vaccination chaos and a grinding two-month lockdown.
Merkel's decision to postpone a major rapid testing roll-out which Spahn had promised to bring in on March 1 has prompted talk of 'revenge' in German media - after the chancellor accused him of trying to shift blame for the vaccine fiasco to Brussels.
With Bild now describing Spahn as a 'ministerial flop', the 40-year-old - who was seen as an outside contender in the race to succeed Merkel as chancellor later this year - is said to be 'frustrated' and 'bewildered' by the setbacks to his career.
Like the rest of the EU, Germany is lagging far behind the UK in its vaccine roll-out - with Merkel's government under fire for delegating the task to Brussels.
While Britain has given out 27.0 doses per 100 people, Germany has managed only 6.2, only fractionally above the EU average.
Spahn's promises of five million doses by the end of January and a jab for all care home residents by the middle of February were also not met.
A leaked letter last month revealed how Spahn and some of his fellow health ministers had handed the vaccine task to the European Commission last June.
But according to Bild, that led Merkel to suspect that Spahn had organised the leak in order to deflect blame for the slow progress being made in Germany.
Merkel is since thought to have brought responsibility for the vaccine programme into the chancellor's office, limiting Spahn's authority.
While Merkel has come under fire for letting Brussels take the lead in the vaccine race, the EU's supply problems have been made worse by many Germans' reluctance to take the AstraZeneca vaccine after European leaders voiced doubts about the jab.
Germany was among the countries which refused to let over-65s take the jab because of limited trial data, in contrast to Britain where real-world data this week showed the jab cutting hospitalisations in Scotland by 94 per cent.
Emmanuel Macron added fuel to the fire in France by casting doubt on the jab's effectiveness and claiming that Britain had taken a risk by approving it so quickly.
Merkel's office is now pleading with Germans to take the AstraZeneca shot after only 187,000 of the jabs were administered out of the first 1.5million delivered.
'The vaccine from AstraZeneca is both safe and highly effective,' Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said on Monday. 'The vaccine can save lives.'
EU chief Ursula von on der Leyen has now joined in that effort, saying that she herself would take the vaccine despite her earlier feud with the company.
'I would take the AstraZeneca vaccine without a second thought, just like Moderna's and BioNTech/Pfizer's products,' von der Leyen told the Augsburger Allgemeine.
The EU's AstraZeneca problems are set to continue into the spring, with as many as 90million doses expected to be missing from shipments in the second quarter of 2021.
An EU official involved in talks with the firm says the company has warned that it may deliver only half of its promised 180million doses from April to June.
It comes after Brussels reacted with fury last month when AstraZeneca said it would cut deliveries to the bloc because of delays at a Belgian factory.
After AstraZeneca warned of shortfalls but continued to supply Britain in full, the EU published its contract with the firm and claimed to have cast-iron commitments.
Brussels also imposed export controls on jab shipments leaving the bloc, but was forced into retreat after initially saying they would apply to Northern Ireland.
But AstraZeneca's CEO blamed the delays on the fact that the EU had not signed a contract until three months after Britain had tied up a deal last year.
AstraZeneca is not exporting vaccines made in the UK, in line with its separate contract with the British government.
But AstraZeneca has told the EU it could provide more doses from its global supply chain, including from India and the United States, an EU official said last week.
nicko31
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When will we catch up the Brits they ask?
Are they talking daily infections, deaths per capita or economic contraction?
Reserve envy for Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan island states, not Britain...
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Top work, [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] hates it when anyone posts anything positive about the Uk as you can see by his reply ...
Not even like Britain's record is that brilliant nowadays
nicko31
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Weststander
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https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n326
People who know far more about it than you established that a 12 weeks gap between doses:
“The study found vaccine efficacy reached 82.4% after a second dose in those with a dosing interval of 12 weeks or more (95% confidence interval 62.7% to 91.7%). If the two doses were given less than six weeks apart the efficacy was only 54.9% (CI 32.7% to 69.7%)”.
The continental vaccines debacle was covered on LBC today. Macron facing a widespread pushback across the EU for his baseless political meddling on the safety of a vaccine. His stirring has helped fuelled reticence amongst EU citizens over taking vaccines at all.
Weststander
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Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Sadly that poster cannot see beyond political affiliation.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Because he's happy Nicko.
Baker lite
Banned
nicko31
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Does the manufacturer agree and agree to revise their application directive?
Weststander
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From the right wing Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/24/germany-frustration-grows-sluggish-rollout-covid-vaccines-falling-behind-uk
Serious issues in Germany with people not turning up for their vaccinations, they’re now entering the third wave we’ve suffered, all in all delaying their hopes for a lifting of severe restrictions to life.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/24/germany-frustration-grows-sluggish-rollout-covid-vaccines-falling-behind-uk
Serious issues in Germany with people not turning up for their vaccinations, they’re now entering the third wave we’ve suffered, all in all delaying their hopes for a lifting of severe restrictions to life.
Weststander
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Inherently it’s all an experiment, vaccines have gone through a 9 month process, that normally takes 10 years. Until that study, it was thought that the Astrazeneca gap between jabs should also be much shorter.
Do you ever listen to the broadcasts of Dr Chris Smith or the words of JVT? They’ve been clear that administering first jabs to all vulnerable groups as THE priority, will save more lives, than aiming for near perfection for half that number.
Sounds like you wouldn’t mind it going wrong in the UK, to further some blinkered political stand.
Even continentals are now praising what the UK have done. Independent Sage have produced no work in the last few weeks damning the UK’s approach, their silence on the matter when they were outspoken on many other strategies or non-strategies in the last 11 months, is telling.
nicko31
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I hope we have the 12 week dose strategy turns out to be the correct decision. With this evidence from the BMJ are any other countries now following our lead?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Yup, definitely a wind up account.
Nobody could be so 'yeah, but what about....', or could they?
nicko31
Well-known member
The German death rate has fallen 50% in the last 30 days, UK 68%, both pretty decent.
I'm just glad we're doing well on the vaccine rollout thanks to the NHS and Germans need to get their act together.
I should add we are still at double the German death rate per capita.
We're being careful with easing this time and threading with caution, seems wise
Weststander
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I have no idea.
But these eminent experts NOT in the pay of the UK government judged:
They, the 4 CMO’s and the JCVI have looked beyond rigidly sticking to manufacturers recommendations, and applied simple logic on protecting double the number of folk.
All the evidence is pointing to a success story. Edinburgh Uni found a 94% reduction in the chances of hospitalisation from CV19 with a first dose of astrazeneca, 85% with Pfizer.
Baker lite
Banned
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1364988402093989892?s=21
It’s all kicking off in the Fourth Reich...
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