EU and AstraZeneca

[knocky1]

Because previous governments addressed it so effectively!


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I’m sure Labour Party coffers have received some sweet money when in power.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Almost as amazing as the usual Johnson supporters not being able to see why we already have the highest death rates due to his Government's slowness / arrogance / stupidity / red tape (delete as you feel free). Forgetting completely about the blatant cronyism in contracts awarded in the last year. But feel free to defend the record of those you voted for. Good luck in getting your French citizenship.

I've defended the governments handling of vaccination .... not that of the pandemic as a whole. This thread is about the EUs incompetency though .... something you spectacularly fail to acknowledge. Feel free to continue to defend them ( but why you would is beyond me ).

Always love the way you think I'm a Boris supporter as well

 

[WATFORD zero]

I've defended the governments handling of vaccination .... not that of the pandemic as a whole. This thread is about the EUs incompetency though .... something you spectacularly fail to acknowledge. Feel free to continue to defend them ( but why you would is beyond me ).

Always love the way you think I'm a Boris supporter as well

Well you voted for his Government Maybe you didn't know what you were voting for again

 

[Is it PotG?]

Well you voted for his Government Maybe you didn't know what you were voting for again

Been on here all day EDIT?

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

If he is claiming we weren't under the same jurisdiction as the other EU members when we went it alone then yes. It's definitely not the first and I would think it unlikely to be the last time he has been wrong.

Just the plain simple facts.


The decision comes from the UK’s independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). It’s long worked in tandem with the European Medicines Agency (EMA) deciding which drugs are safe for use.

When we were part of the EU, the EMA had areas of jurisdiction that meant only it could make decisions about certain types of medicine, including vaccines. National regulators like the MHRA couldn’t get involved.

When the UK left the EU on 31 January last year, we entered the “transition period”, which means the European regulations we adopted during our time in the trade bloc were still in effect until the end of 2020.

That includes the rule that says vaccines generally must be authorised by the EMA instead of national regulators.

But as a UK government press release from 23 November 2020 states: “if a suitable COVID-19 vaccine candidate, […] becomes available before the end of the transition period, EU legislation which we have implemented via Regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations allows the MHRA to temporarily authorise the supply of a medicine or vaccine, based on public health need.”

So even if we were still a member of the EU, the UK regulator would have been able to take this decision on its own because EU law already allows it. Incidentally, that legislation took effect in the UK in 2012, long before Brexit was on the cards.

Sorry

I am sorry but this is just nonsense and what I despair about is that it is evidence of a tribal desire to find things to back up "your side of the fence". As you know, Germany (and other EU countries) wanted to enter into vaccine contracts at the same time as the UK. They didnt because the appointed (not elected) EU Commission prevented them from doing so.

As a result my German relatives in their 70's will not be vaccinated until after the entire UK population has been vaccinated. Who can they hold accountable? Nobody. The EU has its democracy around the wrong way, weak domestic parliaments implementing legislation and governance from The Commission.

The EU procurement was centralised and if the UK had been in the EU then its procurement would have been centralised. Indeed, as you will probably also know the UK government was criticised for not joining the EU's procurement process. You have plenty of good arguments to say that the UK should be in the EU and those that voted leave plenty to say it was right to leave. But let's not just argue every point when the point clearly is not in your favour. How about exercising an independent mind and judge every issue on it's merits?

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

The unfortunate thing here, as a German friend has pointed out to me, is how the issue with Astra Zenica is being politicised in the media formats in a toxic way. The issue sane folk didn't want to be.

The resident fairy's smelly dumps on this thread being a prime example.

What did you expect, the usual thick as shit knuckle draggers have no sanity the lunatics are jumping all over it because they have nothing else.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The mention of possible legal action is yet another example of how this body thinks and acts.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Well you voted for his Government Maybe you didn't know what you were voting for again

You really don't understand the UK voting system do you ? I didn't vote for Boris ( his name wasn't on my ballot paper ), I didn't vote for his government ( all the names on the ballot paper were individuals not organisations ), I voted for a local Tory candidate called Robert. That's how it works in our voting system. Bless you that you haven't worked this out yet.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

But I think we can agree that both Pfizer and AstraZeneca are at full production (although hopefully increasing hugely) and I don't think Moderna are in the running yet. Maybe I'm being particularly insular, but if the UK and EU are their major customers, if one increases their volume of the vaccine available, the other will have to reduce accordingly (whatever the arguments are for right or wrong).

Personally I am a little worried by the fact the EU, as a customer, is nearly 10 times bigger than the UK, as I believe the UK is doing a good job on vaccines and really don't want to see that compromised. Unfortunately I suspect that is all in the hands of the contract specialists

So really you are just making the case for membership of the EU......again. This despite the palpable success of the UK’s go it alone strategy. You are taking the EU’s version of events over that of AZ . Interesting that you are prepared to dismiss the views of the AZ management without any real basis for that stance.

 

[Baker lite]

What did you expect, the usual thick as shit knuckle draggers have no sanity the lunatics are jumping all over it because they have nothing else.

You stay classy [emoji8]


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[Chicken Run]

What did you expect, the usual thick as shit knuckle draggers have no sanity the lunatics are jumping all over it because they have nothing else.

Play nicely, I don’t recall anyone being mean spirited to you on this thread x


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[warmleyseagull]

I notice that Serbia are doing well with the vaccinations. They are outside the EU and are being supplied by China.

China will supply anyone in their continuing quest to undermine EU and US and their allies.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

So really you are just making the case for membership of the EU......again. This despite the palpable success of the UK’s go it alone strategy. You are taking the EU’s version of events over that of AZ . Interesting that you are prepared to dismiss the views of the AZ management without any real basis for that stance.

Indeed, this EU Vaccine debacle is a case study in why the size of the market, combined with a political desire to be seen to be good members working together doesn't always bring about a positive outcome.

 

[Baker lite]

Play nicely, I don’t recall anyone being mean spirited to you on this thread x


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A very aggressive fellow is he, told me I was a disgrace to the Andrew....blooming cheek of it.


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[Lindfield by the Pond]

Dodging the question. Our duly elected Tory government are already making noises about reducing workers rights and reducing regulation that protects the consumer. But crack on.

But that is not about Brexit - its about who the country voted in. The advantage of Brexit, is that we can vote the tories out if we want, and change the policy? Thats democracy.

We can't vote out Ursula von der Leyen.

 

[Baker lite]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bbc-shows-its-pro-eu-bias


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[Chicken Run]

A very aggressive fellow is he, told me I was a disgrace to the Andrew....blooming cheek of it.


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Thank you for your service BL


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[drew]

But that is not about Brexit - its about who the country voted in. The advantage of Brexit, is that we can vote the tories out if we want, and change the policy? Thats democracy.

We can't vote out Ursula von der Leyen.

Of course it's about Brexit. Brexit allows them to do whatever they like which is why they were all for it. Less regulation, less workers rights = more profit.

And as far as I was aware, prior to Brexit we still had elections.

 

[Baker lite]

Thank you for your service BL


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And you to CR.[emoji1303]️


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[Baker lite]

Of course it's about Brexit. Brexit allows them to do whatever they like which is why they were all for it. Less regulation, less workers rights = more profit.

And as far as I was aware, prior to Brexit we still had elections.

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