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- Jul 5, 2003
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[News] Enough is enough
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Weststander
Well-known member
To simplify it and make it more attainable, right now, I'd like to see substantial financial help for all those who'll struggle to pay for heating and food.
The rest of us don't need help with fuel bills. Let's target the money.
The rest of us don't need help with fuel bills. Let's target the money.
Only if the oppositions' job is to be properly socialist, which is unelectable. But, more to the point, this current lot in charge are so far to the right that Rory Stewart (had he stayed on) or the Lib Dems or even Tugenhat could be said to be doing the job of the opposition. Kier Starmer's job now, sadly if you're an old fashioned lefty, is to be electable, because, if he isn't then we're stuck with the neo-fascists for another four or five years and they'll erode any opposition at all undemocratically in that time, in the name of "we voted Leave in 2016".
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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why cant we have campaigns that focus on issues without dragging along old idealogical baggage? house building and tax the rich isnt going to help people with fuel bills this winter. neither for that matter is nationalising the energy companies or investment in renewables. should focus on the energy price with honest solutions, and food provision, the community kitchens a good idea.
Super Steve Earle
Well-known member
Housebuilding in particular won't help if there is no water to put through the pipes. Yet housebuilders still want judicial reviews and the like to overturn
water neutrality issues.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Taxing the rich even more would only ensure zero ambition amongst entrepreneurs and business in general
Wardy's twin
Well-known member
- Oct 21, 2014
- 8,867
Politics is basically the process of deciding who gets what so all these decisions which will require spending/not spending of money will always be about ideology.
Personally I would prefer a neutral , centrist government which focusses on improving things for the majority of people and we stop swing from left to right and back again and waste effort, unfortunately my views are not shared by many?
There is no such thing as a "neutral" government.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
I can't believe this but for once I agree with you
- Jan 3, 2012
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Even more? Our tax rates are hardly punitive for big earners.
And plenty of business people complain vociferously about government support, or lack of it, particularly those who export.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
I know so therefore suggesting raising them is plain stupid as people would not bother to want to be successful in business
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Because we've been subjected to the ideological baggage that you continue to support for the last 43 years. And guess what, after 43 years, it's still sh!t, but now it's really hurting.
super-seagulls
Soup! Why didn’t I get any Soup?
I thought this was about big 6 bias from Referees!
Seagull58
In the Algarve
I don't agree with this argument at all. An entrepreneur building up his business and paying 30% tax on income of 1 million a year is not going to be disincentivised if he is able to earn 2 million a year but pays 35% tax or even 40% tax. Even less so if he is able to grow his income to 10 million a year. It's not as if we're going to go back to the 70's with 98% supertax rate.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Well when Macron did it in France most rich people left the country is that what the UK wants ergo less money being paid in tax and less going back into the economy in goods / services purchased
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Leaving the country is a completely different argument and not what you said. That's what people such as the Rolling Stones did when Wilson, Callaghan and Healey pushed the tax rates up to 98% but for people running businesses it's not that easy to just up sticks and go.
I very much hope those "Red Wall" voters in Stoke, Sunderland, etc etc aren't amongst those saying "enough is enough". Not only are they responsible for voting in this shower, they are also mainly responsible for the UK leaving the EU. Both events have had huge consequences which mean the low paid are even more disadvantaged. If you vote for a bunch of tossers who couldn't give a monkeys about the poor, who greedily accept every dodgy Russian rouble, and whose every instinct is to limit the rights of ordinary people, then what do you expect?
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,264
I think Labour have just got to keep on doing what they're doing. They've been ahead in the opinion polls all calendar year by an average 7 odd points, and there is no way Truss or Rishi will appeal to the common man the way Boris did in 2016 EU referendum and the 2019 GE.
The other thing is tactical voting is beginning to cut through. I think this Enough Is Enough campaign could overlap with Labour's policies and I don't think that's a bad thing. Truss looks set to win but has already done 2 U-turns on policy, I can't see too many neutrals being won over by her.
The other thing is tactical voting is beginning to cut through. I think this Enough Is Enough campaign could overlap with Labour's policies and I don't think that's a bad thing. Truss looks set to win but has already done 2 U-turns on policy, I can't see too many neutrals being won over by her.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
If Truss wins it should ensure a Labour general election win, she is worse than hopeless
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
you dont know what ive supported. you only reinforce the point, dragging on such old battles rather than focus on an immediate issue. what direct help does "tax the rich" give to someone facing food poverty? how about policy come first then seek ways to fund it if needed. never let a crisis go to waste though.