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I can only assume you've never seen a fully fit Leadley King then. He is one of the best central defenders I have ever seen when he is fully fit - problem is that he hasn't been fully fit for a long time.
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England World Cup Squad?
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I can only assume you've never seen a fully fit Leadley King then. He is one of the best central defenders I have ever seen when he is fully fit - problem is that he hasn't been fully fit for a long time.
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The reason for taking Zamora would be that I think he could play alongside any of the other strikers whereas some others would perhaps only be suited to one of the strikers.
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A creative thought, and sorry to burst your bubble, but I suspect Monsieur N'Zogbia might struggle with the words to God Save The Queen, if you catch my drift. La Marseillaise, on the other hand...
Marshy
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Because of the nature of injuries and suspensions nearly every player in a World Cup winning squad will play at least some part of some game...you can carry no pasengers.
How do you not know that in the first game Rio gets injured for the tournament and Terry gets sent off and gets a subsequent three match ban. How can you possibly have in your squad a man whom can play one game in 14 days. Also with King's record of being unfit. How can you be sure he is going to be fit for the one (or more) games that you need him to be? Because of his record that he has to be patched up for nearly every game in all probability he won't be.
Still this is all conjecture, as thank goodness you are not the England manager. I also see you picked Carragher as well, you obviously didn't notice him getting roasted at the back for Liverpool in the Champions League earlier on this season and a man who has clearly lost at least a yard of pace.
Thank goodness we have Capello in charge and not you, Carragher/King central defensive partnership
Every player will play some part you say...exactly my point King would be required for 2 games at most if we have suspensions or injuries....IF.
You dont play football on iffs and buts...what if Rooney gets injured...what if blah blah blah
My squad was chosen on if everyone was available which isnt the case i know.
However if Carragher was availiable i would pick him in my squad for sure..hes been immaculate for many a season, i dont see Jagielka, Shawcross, Dawson, Lescott etc playing in Champions league football....you honestly think they would cope better ?.....bollox
Id rather have someone at a world cup i know i can rely on at centre half with 50 odd caps to his name than a player who didnt, simlilar thoughts with Ledley King.
Both are light years ahead of our current back ups at centre half.
And if Capello had the opportunity to pick them even now they would both be certs to be on the plane.
King has Been spurs best CB this season and is half fit.
Marshy
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Exactly. And Capello practically begged him to play a while back even naming him in his squad.
I still think he might even ask him again nearer the time to be honest.
And we know he has also asked Carragher.
Why has he done this....because he knows the pair of them are far better than the current back up we have.
No you are wrong. It is almost certain with the nature of the intensity of a tournament such as the World Cup that players will get injured and or suspended. The people you have to replace them cannot then be a massive liability as to whether they will be fit or not as you would by taking King. Every player that you choose should be available for every game (you could possibly make an exception with your star player a la Rooney 06, Beckham 02) but not with a squad player which King would definitely be.
Have you seen how poor Carragher has been this season, he makes John Terry look like greased lightning. Do you watch the game of football at all?
I think he will go to the world cup, I think he should.
I recall Harry having a massive bust up with The FA about King being called up.
Marshy
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Id like to see how much game time a 3rd and 4th choice england centre half actually got at a world cup in previous tournaments.
Id put my money on not much....no more than 2 games.
Lets face it if the likes of Upson and Jagielka for example have to play a significant amount of games at the World Cup we know were screwed. At least with either Carragher or King you stand half a chance.
We know now that form and playing regular for your club side really dosent matter like Capello said it did or Walcott wouldnt have started last night.
Id still take King and Carragher without hesitation if available
Marshy
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He did have a falling out i remember, I think it was because he was actually playing every saturday at the time and they wanted him to train all week and then play midweek too, which we know isnt possible.
If you asked Redknapp if he would say taking him to the world cup as cover was a good idea i dont think he would have any objections.
I doubt he would because it wouldnt affect Spurs, His Injury isnt going to get better so its not like the rest will do him good, I should imagine they had a talk about it when he signed his new contract recently
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The Wizard
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Capello is a CLOWN. MARSHY for manager. 
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1st XI
1. Green
2. G Johnson
3. A Cole
4. R Ferdinand
5. J Terry
6. G Barry
7. S Gerrard
8. F Lampard
9. W Rooney
10. E Heskey
11. A Lennon
Subs: James, Hart, Upson, King, Milner, Baines, Walcott, Beckham, Carrick, J Cole, Crouch, Defoe.
Cappello clearly favours Green and that's fine as there's no standout keeper, although if he has a mare you've got the experience of James. However, James will probably retire from international football after the tournament, so it will pay to have given Hart the experience of the trip.
I don't rate Brown, Warnock, Lescott, Ashley Young or Carlton Cole.
SWP, Agbonlahor and Zamora could count themselves unlucky.
If fit/available, Woodgate would be in for Upson, Carragher for King, Hargreaves for Carrick.
1. Green
2. G Johnson
3. A Cole
4. R Ferdinand
5. J Terry
6. G Barry
7. S Gerrard
8. F Lampard
9. W Rooney
10. E Heskey
11. A Lennon
Subs: James, Hart, Upson, King, Milner, Baines, Walcott, Beckham, Carrick, J Cole, Crouch, Defoe.
Cappello clearly favours Green and that's fine as there's no standout keeper, although if he has a mare you've got the experience of James. However, James will probably retire from international football after the tournament, so it will pay to have given Hart the experience of the trip.
I don't rate Brown, Warnock, Lescott, Ashley Young or Carlton Cole.
SWP, Agbonlahor and Zamora could count themselves unlucky.
If fit/available, Woodgate would be in for Upson, Carragher for King, Hargreaves for Carrick.
Marshy
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I think you will find its Capello who wnats him to go not just me.
A quote from Harry in October..
King has never announced his retirement from international football and his club manager Harry Redknapp said last month that he would be the perfect cover for South Africa.
"He's special, that's why when he's fit I play him. He's desperate to play for England and he'd love to go to the World Cup.
"He'd be available; you're not going to weaken your team. If you're in a semi-final and you have a suspension you can bring him in, he's a fantastic player."
A quote from Harry in October..
King has never announced his retirement from international football and his club manager Harry Redknapp said last month that he would be the perfect cover for South Africa.
"He's special, that's why when he's fit I play him. He's desperate to play for England and he'd love to go to the World Cup.
"He'd be available; you're not going to weaken your team. If you're in a semi-final and you have a suspension you can bring him in, he's a fantastic player."
No, you're not alone.
Thought he could have done better with the goal last night. Didn't get his hand in the way! (although I might be being a little harsh)
Marshy
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With Rio's fitness situation and the fact that players are much more likely to get sent off nowadays than they were before, if England were to go all the way if I was Capello I would assume my back up Centre Half would play at a minimum 90 minutes (not all necessarily in one game) in a tournament and at a maximum 7 games minus 1 minute (i.e an injury to a centre back in the 1st minute of the first game). You cannot take a man as a replacement that can only offer you one game, every 14 days.
I do agree the rest are not that appealing (and are not as good at the moment as a young King, but King is never going to be 100% again ever) but they have to not have the issues that King does with regarding to his potential availability.
Marshy
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I still think for a 1 off game which is all he would be needed for in my opinion its worth the risk.
If Cappello " is the one" as most of you seem to think, then i dont know why your all so anti his incluson as Capello clearly wants it to happen.
The more i think about it the more i actually think it makes sense and that Capello will go for it.