[Football] England v Kosovo 7.45 tonight @ St Mary's (capacity 32,505)

[banjo]

2-1

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Yep. Think about who we played, pens we had in the WC. Me saying he's not world class isn't saying he isn't class, because clearly he is. World class has to be reserved for the very best, I don't think he's that good. We said the same things about Rooney, he wasn't world class either.

He’s scored against every PL side his ever played against.

15 or so CL goals

Scored against Barca/Real/Dortmund/Juve

But a flat track bully

 

[the right footed denilson]

Kane isn't flair, but he is clearly world class. Any team in the world would sign him.

 

[the right footed denilson]

Sterling is on another level these days. He is world class.

 

[Stat Brother]

Some assistance for you [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] courtesy of Newsround:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/44838717

 

[Saunders]

How can the Golden Boot top scorer at the 2018 World Cup and two-time Premier League Golden Boot winner not be considered world class? He's bagged one more than Hurst for England in 9 fewer games.

Hurst didnt get to play the likes of Kosovo etc. Anyway I am sure people would argue Hurst wasnt world class as well. I Hate the term for that very reason it always ends up in arguments over what World Class means.

 

[Hendrax]

Oh look, it's good HK again. 26 in 41. 15 ahead of Rooney at same stage of career

 

[Weststander]

Yep. Think about who we played, pens we had in the WC. Me saying he's not world class isn't saying he isn't class, because clearly he is. World class has to be reserved for the very best, I don't think he's that good. We said the same things about Rooney, he wasn't world class either.

You have a point, it’s about the definition of world class.

Some argue it’s just the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Hazard, VVD, Silva, De Bruyne, Mbappe.

 

[Stat Brother]

Sterling is Universe Class.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

You have a point, it’s about the definition of world class.

Some argue it’s just the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Hazard, VVD, Silva, De Bruyne, Mbappe.

How can Mbappe be classed as World class and Kane not?

He plays in a joke of a league

I think they both are btw

 

[the right footed denilson]

I know Southgate is wary of Kosovo, and I know he has a way of playing, but do we really need both Henderson and Rice in a home match?
Same with Dier playing all the time. Surely Winks, or even a further forward Maddison would make more sense. Or Rashford with Sterling behind Kane.

 

[the right footed denilson]

How can Mbappe be classed as World class and Kane not?

He plays in a joke of a league

I think they both are btw

Because he is foreign.

 

[Bold Seagull]

He’s scored against every PL side his ever played against.

15 or so CL goals

Scored against Barca/Real/Dortmund/Juve

But a flat track bully

Kevin Phillips won the PL golden boot and scored against every PL he played against.

World Class to me at least is elevating your team beyond the sum of it's parts, being the difference between success and not. I haven't seen Spurs or England win anything yet. He could have been the difference in the CL final. Could have been the difference in the WC semi final. They are the contributions that elevate a player to world class in my mind. England had a beatable opponent in the WC, as did Spurs in the CL final. These are the difference a truly world class player makes. He has plenty of time to elevate himself to that, I'm not throwing around the term just because of topping goal charts. Didn't James Rodríguez win the last WC golden boot? What happened to him?

It's what England do time after time. Lampard, Beckham and Gerrard are world class. Rooney is world class. etc. etc. We build them up, then slate them when they don't deliver.

 

[Stat Brother]

How can Mbappe be classed as World class and Kane not?

He plays in a joke of a league

I think they both are btw

How does playing 28 games against shite opposition and not winning the other 10 games make Kane's CV any better?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Kevin Phillips won the PL golden boot and scored against every PL he played against.

World Class to me at least is elevating your team beyond the sum of it's parts, being the difference between success and not. I haven't seen Spurs or England win anything yet. He could have been the difference in the CL final. Could have been the difference in the WC semi final. They are the contributions that elevate a player to world class in my mind. England had a beatable opponent in the WC, as did Spurs in the CL final. These are the difference a truly world class player makes. He has plenty of time to elevate himself to that, I'm not throwing around the term just because of topping goal charts. Didn't James Rodríguez win the last WC golden boot? What happened to him?

It's what England do time after time. Lampard, Beckham and Gerrard are world class. Rooney is world class. etc. etc. We build them up, then slate them when they don't deliver.

Did Philips win the PL golden boot more than once, WC golden boot, have Kanes record for England?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

How does playing 28 games against shite opposition and not winning the other 10 games make Kane's CV any better?

I’m not sure how Kane could be blamed for spurs defeats....

 

[Bold Seagull]

Some assistance for you [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] courtesy of Newsround:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/44838717

Shall I post you Murray in the goal charts for the last 2 seasons for continued evidence of his inclusion?

 

[Mellotron]

Sterling and Kane is a monstrously good combo now. Love it.

Nice to play a team who actually try to attack us.

 

[phoenix]

Oi, I said that first - I just type slower.

It does seem like the oddest of odd grumbles.

Will they open the west stand upper, tonight ?

 

[Saunders]

How does playing 28 games against shite opposition and not winning the other 10 games make Kane's CV any better?

If he actually played that many games last year they may well have won something.