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[Football] England v Brazil
- Thread starter rogersix
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Do one.
- Apr 5, 2014
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These are 'friendlies'. Nothing more. Have England got a lot of injuries at present or is this it ? I don't know. But we seem to have starting elevens that have players with only a handful of top league appearances. That's a really bad sign.
Yes, better than some, no doubt - but anyone? No - he was never as good a manager as he was a footballer. Maybe he's too high-brow then, football wise, to watch lowly Brighton much. He might see one or two more good long passes if he did. The pass he went into ecstasy about was a good one - I never said it wasn't - (even though the passer didn't spot that he was passing to an off-side player!) but it was no better than the ones that Dunk does regularly these days ('Dunk's average efforts').I think Hoddle has a better idea than anyone as to what is a quality long ball
- Apr 5, 2014
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They don't play 'worse' but the motivation is not as it would be in a competitive match. It never has been. That's why UEFA are doing away with them.
Icy Gull
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Personally I have been waiting for years for England to play the young form players instead of the old guard. I think it's a really good sign, I could get behind an England team for the first time in ages. Dump the old guard and go with the youngsters. Remains to be seen if Southgate is brave enough to continue with his refreshing choices when the World Cup comes around.
Icy Gull
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I think Hoddle was the best English passer of the ball that I have ever seen, hence my comment.
Bollocks. You are just spouting the majority view on friendly's. When have you ever played a colleague, mate or foe at any sport and not tried to win because its not for a belt, cup, title? They all want to win.
No problem with that. My point was that he was wetting himself over a Brazilian super-pass, which, although good, was no better than one of Dunk's regulars.
BensGrandad
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I thought it was generally a good all round performance by a young inexpereinced England side and the players did themselves and their reputations no harm at all.
Germany want to win, but they they're clearly not bothered with friendlies (or even some qualifying games to be honest). They've lost or drawn plenty of recent friendlies to England, but beaten them when they've needed to. And they lost to Argentina a few months after beating them in the final in Brazil. This should tell you something. Same with Spain, no point blowing all your guns at once when there's no need.....treating games with the appropriate caution is how you last and win tournaments.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Well I'm cuffing LOVING it. Every game has been an adventure, and to see us holding our own and more in the top flight is a joy to behold. I've seen every PL game bar Southampton so far, and its EPIC.
Sorry if you're finding it boring, but bloody hell. It beats Rotherham on a Tuesday night.
- Jan 3, 2012
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If you're in Swindon, why not try Reading - just a few exits along the M4 and lovely old Championship football........
.......... and leave the rest of us to enjoy it - watching some of the best footballers in the world.
If Neymeyer plays like that all the time he wouldn't get a game for Albion against Stoke next Monday.
I got bored with the game but I could see why Dunk may have been overlooked for the left sided Centre Back position. Harry McGuire is very good player. Excellent player in fact
I got bored with the game but I could see why Dunk may have been overlooked for the left sided Centre Back position. Harry McGuire is very good player. Excellent player in fact
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Hove / Παρος
Make it happen Gareth!
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Walker ....................................................... Rose
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Sterling ............................................... Rashford
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Walker ....................................................... Rose
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Sterling ............................................... Rashford
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Garry Nelson's teacher
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Mind you he (Hoddle) could play a bit - but he knew it. I remember reading Tony Cascarino's account of GH as manager of Chelsea when basically he'd use the training sessions to show off what he could still do. This might explain why he wasn't as good at managing as he was at playing. However, as a pundit he does tend to appreciate quality.
nicko31
Well-known member
The one thing about England these days is I feel there is less pressure on them, public expectations are pretty low. Out in the first game of the knock at phase is what most expect at best. So play the young guns and let them learn.
SUIYHP
The King's Gull
Regardless of whether they want to win or not, a friendly is simply not a good measure of how a team will perform in a major international tournament.
Right now the players are in the first half of the season, they're warmed up and at their best level of performance. Come the summer, the players will have just finished a gruelling season, they'll be tired, some will have been injured, and now they have to spend another month in a foreign country, with the press hounding them daily and constant public scrutiny following every match. I'm sure that they want to win, no team enters a tournament with the intent of just bowing out of it, but 'willing' something to happen is not going to work.
We can't forget that England beat Germany in a friendly before Euro 2016, a tournament that has gone down as the one of the worst English performances of all time. This friendly means nothing, and it's pointless getting our hopes up over it.
On the plus side, all this success with under 17s and 21s should be a good sign that things are changing. Wait another four or eight years and we might fare a bit better on an international level.
Right now the players are in the first half of the season, they're warmed up and at their best level of performance. Come the summer, the players will have just finished a gruelling season, they'll be tired, some will have been injured, and now they have to spend another month in a foreign country, with the press hounding them daily and constant public scrutiny following every match. I'm sure that they want to win, no team enters a tournament with the intent of just bowing out of it, but 'willing' something to happen is not going to work.
We can't forget that England beat Germany in a friendly before Euro 2016, a tournament that has gone down as the one of the worst English performances of all time. This friendly means nothing, and it's pointless getting our hopes up over it.
On the plus side, all this success with under 17s and 21s should be a good sign that things are changing. Wait another four or eight years and we might fare a bit better on an international level.
kjgood
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Yes, two nil - nil draws against the top two rated sides in the world but a big step forward from the horrible boring negative stuff we have been playing for years. We kept our shape and defended really well against the really strong attacking side Brazil OK not a lot going forward i will agree, but this was the best two English displays for many a year.