[Football] England squad announcement - Lewis Dunk RECALLED!

[Dave the hatosaurus]

Southgate's record is second only to Sir Alf Ramsey's. That's fact.

People's arguments against him would be much better served if they acknowledged and accepted that. They would be even better served if they didn't try and beat him with the we should be winning trophies with the squad he has and he's only beaten weak teams, he loses to every good team he plays.

Guess what? We never win trophies and we've failed miserably with better players, better teams and better squads. And beating weak teams and losing to better ones is also what we've done for as long as I can remember. Apart from 2006 - 2016 where we couldn't even beat the shit teams.

Yes, southgate has his failings - strange squad selections, conservative team selections, tactically limited - and yes, if he was more tactically astute and brave he might have achieved more than he has but what he has achieved is something that no one else other than Ramsey has so he's doing something right.

Admit that, acknowledge it and then talk about his failings and what he could do better. Or, alternatively, just talk embarrassing bollocks.

I have read every post on this thread and have to say that the vast majority of people posting, whichever side they are, on really do want the best for their country but they are looking at different ways of doing it. I find it incredibly laudable that some are so committed and fervent in their support for the team but i also completely understand why some see it differently and are focused on another track.
I get what you are saying about Southgate and that it is definitely not all bad and his opponents need to recognise that, but surely those same fervent supporters should be concerned that quite a lot of others are completely losing faith in him and his methods and style of play. Even to the extent of not only not watching our national team play but also some even hoping we lose matches! They are not saying that because they hate England but because they truly see that as the only way to get rid of GS.
I am satisfied that reading your whole post you at least see why GS has his doubters but to my way of thinking when it has reached the stage when some football fans cannot bring themselves to watch competitive qualifying matches then surely that must be it for him.

 

[Krafty]

Yes, southgate has his failings - strange squad selections, conservative team selections, tactically limited - and yes, if he was more tactically astute and brave he might have achieved more than he has...

...and, because of this, he has to leave - Southgate OUT!

He can manage the German national team as that is now available

 

[dangull]

Makes me think what Pep or RDZ could do with this England squad. Sadly, that will not happen any time soon. Maybe Pep might be tempted 20 years from now as he nears retirement.

 

[S'hampton Seagull]

I’m not defending Southgate as a tactical genius. He isn’t. I’m making a factual point that we were a penalty kick away from a trophy and beaten by a side with far better players in our last two tournaments.

Fair enough. But this is not an achievement, its something to be critical off IMO.

 

[Seagull58]

Felt so sorry for Lewis last night, yes Ok so he has won his vaunted 2nd cap and some would say that is the most important thing, but l wonder how he felt when the likes of a Manchester United reserve, and, surprise surpise, a Palarce centre back got into the team ahead of him.

I hope he found the padding on the bench comfortable, because there was no way he was going to be called into action.

He hasn't won his second cap.

 

[Seagull58]

There’s another game mid week. He’ll probably feature in that.

He was never going to start last night. This was arguably our 2nd toughest qualifier, so probably not the time to throw a new player into the mix. Maguire, for all his shitness for Man U, has rarely let England down.

 

[Nixonator]

Southgate's record is second only to Sir Alf Ramsey's. That's fact.

People's arguments against him would be much better served if they acknowledged and accepted that. They would be even better served if they didn't try and beat him with the we should be winning trophies with the squad he has and he's only beaten weak teams, he loses to every good team he plays.

Guess what? We never win trophies and we've failed miserably with better players, better teams and better squads. And beating weak teams and losing to better ones is also what we've done for as long as I can remember. Apart from 2006 - 2016 where we couldn't even beat the shit teams.

Yes, southgate has his failings - strange squad selections, conservative team selections, tactically limited - and yes, if he was more tactically astute and brave he might have achieved more than he has but what he has achieved is something that no one else other than Ramsey has so he's doing something right.

Admit that, acknowledge it and then talk about his failings and what he could do better. Or, alternatively, just talk embarrassing bollocks.

All merited, except when you consider that If I had taken the reigns with the options available over the last decade, I could have done a better job picking players out of a hat. The Italy game was and is still unforgivable, sitting back against a paraplegic defence and losing in the manner we did. Watch it back if you ever want an unedifying experience of why Southgate was and is still patently out of his depth. It's worse on a second viewing believe me, as I have done it.

England have done well despite the man, not because of him. As ever, I hope to be proved wrong in yet another tournament (if we get there).

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

You’ve just described every England campaign since 1966.

No, I don’t think we have a right to win because “land of hope and glory”.

Southgate got further than Robson and Venables.

What has wanting to win got anything to do with ‘Land of hope and glory’? My issue is that he has had some of the best chances to win a trophy since ‘66 and has blown it Big time. The national teams when both of 5hose above were England managers were much, much stronger than now.
southgate has arguably the better players against much poorer opposition and screwed it up. End of.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Southgate's record is second only to Sir Alf Ramsey's. That's fact.

People's arguments against him would be much better served if they acknowledged and accepted that. They would be even better served if they didn't try and beat him with the we should be winning trophies with the squad he has and he's only beaten weak teams, he loses to every good team he plays.

Guess what? We never win trophies and we've failed miserably with better players, better teams and better squads. And beating weak teams and losing to better ones is also what we've done for as long as I can remember. Apart from 2006 - 2016 where we couldn't even beat the shit teams.

Yes, southgate has his failings - strange squad selections, conservative team selections, tactically limited - and yes, if he was more tactically astute and brave he might have achieved more than he has but what he has achieved is something that no one else other than Ramsey has so he's doing something right.

Admit that, acknowledge it and then talk about his failings and what he could do better. Or, alternatively, just talk embarrassing bollocks.

you’ve basically said that he hasn’t won anything because of his ‘ strange squad selections, being tactically limited and not being brave enough’. Damming praise indeed.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Southgate's record is second only to Sir Alf Ramsey's. That's fact.

People's arguments against him would be much better served if they acknowledged and accepted that. They would be even better served if they didn't try and beat him with the we should be winning trophies with the squad he has and he's only beaten weak teams, he loses to every good team he plays.

Guess what? We never win trophies and we've failed miserably with better players, better teams and better squads. And beating weak teams and losing to better ones is also what we've done for as long as I can remember. Apart from 2006 - 2016 where we couldn't even beat the shit teams.

Yes, southgate has his failings - strange squad selections, conservative team selections, tactically limited - and yes, if he was more tactically astute and brave he might have achieved more than he has but what he has achieved is something that no one else other than Ramsey has so he's doing something right.

Admit that, acknowledge it and then talk about his failings and what he could do better. Or, alternatively, just talk embarrassing bollocks.

You’ve missed the point. Many people are simply expressing the view that they don’t like his team selections nor his style of play. You are choosing to address (aggressively) only those handful of people talking about his results.

 

[Krafty]

I’m not defending Southgate as a tactical genius. He isn’t. I’m making a factual point that we were (a penalty kick away from a trophy and) beaten by a side with far better players in our last two tournaments.

That isn't a factual point. That is a personal opinion.
I think that our selection of players is about the same quality as Italy's and France's squad, if not slightly better than the former nation.
Also, I find it interesting that you've left out Southgate's other managerial involvement in a major tournament, when we lost to Croatia in the 2018 World Cup - did they have far better players?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

That isn't a factual point. That is a personal opinion.
I think that our selection of players is about the same quality as Italy's and France's squad, if not slightly better than the former nation.
Also, I find it interesting that you've left out Southgate's other managerial involvement in a major tournament, when we lost to Croatia in the 2018 World Cup - did they have far better players?

There’s lies, there’s damned lies and there’s statistics !
The internet is full of people assertively claiming opinion as fact.

 

[Taybha]

Southgate is like a peeling bit of wallpaper,the FA know it's there but instead of getting rid of it and changing the whole room they just keep looking at it wishing it would just go away.

This gif sums up how I view the difference between Dunk and Maguire,Southgate is possibly the only bloke left on the planet that prefers the Harry the brown dog approach.

 

[Guinness Boy]

That isn't a factual point. That is a personal opinion.
I think that our selection of players is about the same quality as Italy's and France's squad, if not slightly better than the former nation.
Also, I find it interesting that you've left out Southgate's other managerial involvement in a major tournament, when we lost to Croatia in the 2018 World Cup - did they have far better players?

Which England players start in this team and who do they replace? And France were world ranked ahead of us - that’s a fact.

 

[Guinness Boy]

You’ve missed the point. Many people are simply expressing the view that they don’t like his team selections nor his style of play. You are choosing to address (aggressively) only those handful of people talking about his results.

You can’t half tell you’re a teacher sometimes. Are you this precious with everyone or just on the internet?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Fabio Capello has the best win percentage for an England manager, we all know he was a bit shit......

 

[nwgull]

Fabio Capello has the best win percentage for an England manager, we all know he was a bit shit......

I thought it was Sam Allardyce?

 

[nwgull]

Which England players start in this team and who do they replace? And France were world ranked ahead of us - that’s a fact.

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Bellingham would have got in, and possibly Kane for Giroud and Kyle walker at RB, but that's it. There was no doubt that man-for-man they had a better team than us that night.

 

[Krafty]

Which England players start in this team and who do they replace? And France were world ranked ahead of us - that’s a fact.

Firstly you've excluded Croatia, again, and Italy which you stated have "far better players" than England "and that's a fact" - your opinion is not a fact.

Secondly you've previously said Kane and Rice could get in, and I think that Walker and Bellingham could too.
Plus, Stones and possibly either Saka or Foden could be in that team so I would assume 4 to 6 players - are they really "far better" than us?

 

[Stato]

I thought it was Sam Allardyce?

In truth it's Alf Ramsey. He won one and everyone else has won nothing. Southgate is third worst behind Winterbottom and Robson for the longest period in the job without winning anything.