[Football] England in Australia and Nathan Lyon.

[Leekbrookgull]

Does Lyon in his comments seeing some England player,s being 'finished' prior to The Ashes actually hold water ? Cook at 31/2 surely has years ahead of him,unlike Anderson. As for Broad at 32 is it all over and yet again i was at Lord,s when John Snow returned at 34 and cleaned-up.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Where has he said this? Bit off commenting on someone else's career.

 

[dazzer6666]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42056362

 

[Dave the OAP]

I think he wasn't saying it as the press reported it. But yes, he is right...this could be broad, cook and even the burnley express could be put out to pasture.

we have a real issue in England at the moment is how we develop players to play 5 day cricket. I know people say "get them in teh county sides" but if they are given central contracts they play precious little county cricket...also there is a great concentration now on commercialisation and "selling" the game...so we have IPL/Big bash 20/20 , limited over stuff, pyjama cricket etc etc and the batsmen coming through are products of that sort of cricket. Root is a classic example....when he hit the test scene, I remember him getting a big score which included reverse sweeps, flicks over the keeper and that sort of cricket...all crash and bang...well that is fine but when our players have to bat for two days, they can't do it...we chase deliveries time and time again...and our spinners are just not up to it...Ali is a batsman who can turn his arm over..and to be honest his batting has turned into a crash bang.

we have this habit of taking our best players and assuming they make the best captains and rarely they do. Root has lost all confidence as he is worrying about what is coming after him. It was far too soon making him captain.

We desperately need a Monty, Swann or Giles who can bowl sides out. people laughed at Lyons when he came into teh Aussie team branding him " not warne" and he has worked on his craft and is one of the best spinners in the world....our best spinner in this test was Malan!!!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Does Lyon in his comments seeing some England player,s being 'finished' prior to The Ashes actually hold water ? Cook at 31/2 surely has years ahead of him,unlike Anderson. As for Broad at 32 is it all over and yet again i was at Lord,s when John Snow returned at 34 and cleaned-up.

I think cricket is much less about your age and more about your time period in the game these days.

With the demands of touring, often twice over a winter, and the amount of cricket you play, 10 years or so appears to be around an international career period these days. Whether it is the intensity or focus you need to stay at the absolute top, whether family life and far better financial stability means it is harder to retain that focus.

Take Cook for example, forget his age, look at his career stats: 150 test matches over 11 years.

You can compare recent captains, Michael Vaughan, 82 tests over 9 years, Andrew Strauss, 100 tests over 8 years.

Compare that to Boycott: 108 tests over 18 years. Different era, different game really.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Oh right, that story. Bit offf then but worse if he'd had said it now.

Anderson has got a couple more English summers in him but I think Cook will retire.

 

[Eeyore]

All be forgotten once Anderson and Broad start ripping through various batting orders with the Duke this coming summer. It seems to be a trend for Test series to run with home sides.

Chris Tremlett was one of the best fast bowlers in world cricket yet suffered regular injury and we never saw him at his best- or for long. He was perfect for Australian pitches. The only player I can think of for faster pitches abroad. As for the sub-continent- forget it. We just don't produce top spinners with any regularity.

The question is about who will fill.

 

[Eeyore]

I think he wasn't saying it as the press reported it. But yes, he is right...this could be broad, cook and even the burnley express could be put out to pasture.

we have a real issue in England at the moment is how we develop players to play 5 day cricket. I know people say "get them in teh county sides" but if they are given central contracts they play precious little county cricket...also there is a great concentration now on commercialisation and "selling" the game...so we have IPL/Big bash 20/20 , limited over stuff, pyjama cricket etc etc and the batsmen coming through are products of that sort of cricket. Root is a classic example....when he hit the test scene, I remember him getting a big score which included reverse sweeps, flicks over the keeper and that sort of cricket...all crash and bang...well that is fine but when our players have to bat for two days, they can't do it...we chase deliveries time and time again...and our spinners are just not up to it...Ali is a batsman who can turn his arm over..and to be honest his batting has turned into a crash bang.

we have this habit of taking our best players and assuming they make the best captains and rarely they do. Root has lost all confidence as he is worrying about what is coming after him. It was far too soon making him captain.

We desperately need a Monty, Swann or Giles who can bowl sides out. people laughed at Lyons when he came into teh Aussie team branding him " not warne" and he has worked on his craft and is one of the best spinners in the world....our best spinner in this test was Malan!!!

Agreed. Except that Monty and Giles very rarely bowled sides out beyond fifth day minefields. Swann- granted.

 

[Pavilionaire]

There's been plenty of Australian careers ended after Ashes defeats in England - Siddle, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Ashton Agar, Marcus North, Katich. It works both ways.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

There's been plenty of Australian careers ended after Ashes defeats in England - Siddle, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Ashton Agar, Marcus North, Katich. It works both ways.

Good point,yet a 34yo Siddle could do a bit at Sussex ?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

There's been plenty of Australian careers ended after Ashes defeats in England - Siddle, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Ashton Agar, Marcus North, Katich. It works both ways.

Long list,i would not so sure ?

 

[Buffalo Seagull]

There's been plenty of Australian careers ended after Ashes defeats in England - Siddle, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Ashton Agar, Marcus North, Katich. It works both ways.

You can scrub Ashton Agar off that list. He just played in both of Australia’s tests and a couple of ODIs on the tour of Bangladesh and India about three months ago. He’s only just turned 24 too, so time is definitely on his side.

 

[Gwylan]

There's been plenty of Australian careers ended after Ashes defeats in England - Siddle, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Ashton Agar, Marcus North, Katich. It works both ways.

Some strange choices there: Hilfenhaus played 16 tests after his last England one, Katich played 13 and North 14. Siddle only played one test in his last England tour - Australia won it and he took four wickets. Agar played a test match just two months ago so he's scarcely finished his career - it wouldn't shock me to see him play at Sydney.

Watson, fair enough, but he was 35 with a long history of injuries - he didn't have much longer.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Cook
Broad
Anderson
Ali

...all looking that their time is approaching.

Except the potential replacements are worse.

 

[Brian Parsons]

This scenario has been with us for what appears to be ages. The problem the way I see it, starts with the stuffed shirts at Lord's. Cricket at the highest level has always been stifled by class and what school/college you attended. When they interview our players they all speak with a small to medium plum in mouth.
I can vaguely remember sometime in the 80's/90's BobWillis and a well known brewery went searching for a fast bowler in village cricket. They found a very quick kid but because he had a council estate background no county would adopt him.

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[Gwylan]

I can vaguely remember sometime in the 80's/90's BobWillis and a well known brewery went searching for a fast bowler in village cricket. They found a very quick kid but because he had a council estate background no county would adopt him.

That's not true at all. There was a search for a fast bowler, spear-headed by Ted Dexter and Bob Willis and they did offer trials to many candidates. But it's not true they rejected someone for being from a council estate (they found one potential fast bowler BTW but he'd already signed for a county and nothing became of him).

There have been plenty of players from humble backgrounds, including some of England's greatest - Jack Hobbs, Harold Larwood, Fred Truemen to name just three.

It's certainly true that in recent years, teams have been dominated by privately educated but the ECB is very keen to do something about it. I can't begin to imagine a player being rejected for being from a council estate (and I'm sitting writing this in an ex-council house where an ex-Sussex player was brought up)

 

[Perry Milkins]

David when did the Spanish King bowl a side out?

 

[Perry Milkins]

That's not true at all. There was a search for a fast bowler, spear-headed by Ted Dexter and Bob Willis and they did offer trials to many candidates. But it's not true they rejected someone for being from a council estate (they found one potential fast bowler BTW but he'd already signed for a county and nothing became of him).

There have been plenty of players from humble backgrounds, including some of England's greatest - Jack Hobbs, Harold Larwood, Fred Truemen to name just three.

It's certainly true that in recent years, teams have been dominated by privately educated but the ECB is very keen to do something about it. I can't begin to imagine a player being rejected for being from a council estate (and I'm sitting writing this in an ex-council house where an ex-Sussex player was brought up)

You are writing in Imrans old pad in Karachi?

 

[Gwylan]

You are writing in Imrans old pad in Karachi?

It would be a damn sight warmer

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Can the explosion in T20 cricket be a major factor in the number of home grown players being available as clubs chase big hitters and a bag of cash ? The Sussex era of championship and cup wins apart from M/G and M/A most players were local lead by a no nonsense captain. Halcyon days.