[Football] England are shit/Southgate is shit/I hope team with an Albion connection does better than England etc etc

[Questions]

Whatever it is I’m against it

 

[Icy Gull]

Was that not your weekly Potter in/out threads?

It was, I need to see who the dicks are

We need a Southgate In/Out thread

 

[Hugo Rune]

Southgate is fine. Perhaps he shows too much loyalty to out of form and injured players as well as favouring Big-7/Villa/Palace players. But he is a good person if a little naive tactically. I would agree that he is the second best England manager of all time.

Unfortunately, England has a high percentage of vile fans attending matches. Maybe 30%+. It’s like supporting Milwall or Leeds when you go to England games, especially away in Europe. They are a magnet to the far right. I would never do this again having been to the Germany World Cup.

England can not win an international tournament with the current penalty shoot-out system because of historical repeated failure syndrome (HRFS). It’s a statistical impossibility because you normally always need to win a penalty shoot-out to lift a trophy. If another top team draws with England in the knock-out stages, they effectively win.

Let’s look at the stats.

Top 5 World Cup winners (by trophies won) and penalty shoot-out success rate:

1. Brazil - 75%
2. Germany - 100%
3. Italy - 25%
4. Argentina - 80%
5. France - 50%
(6th) England - 25%

Top 5 Euros winners (by trophies won) and penalty shoot-out success rate.

1. Germany - 66%
2. Spain - 66%
3. Italy - 57%
4. France - 33%
5. Russia/Soviet Union - 50%
(12th) England - 20%

Even less successful countries in terms of lifting a trophy like Croatia or Portugal will batter is every time in a shoot-out. They just need to play for draw in the knowledge that our players will crumble when the ball is placed on the spot. I’m not criticising our players either, any players in a team with a penalty shoot-out record like England’s will crack like eggs when the pressure is on also.

So enjoy the tournament and the inevitable shoot-out agony. I don’t need to make that emotional investment every two years and have it thrown back in my face by a system that favours historical success. I’ll watch England again once the rules revert to a flick of the coin where our chances will double.

Luckily, I don’t have to wrestle with these particular issues against England as I’m not engaging with this tournament due to my opposition to FIFA corruption and Qatar human rights. I will concede that not watching Albion players in this tournament is painful but I’m sticking to my guns.

 

[GT49er]

So the normal matchday threads should be some kind of echo chamber for English nationalists who feel Gareth Southgate is king and that watching Stones and Maguire pass the ball to each other for 90 minutes is absolutely non-shit?

Good luck

NSC threads becoming echo chambers? Heaven forfend!

 

[carlzeiss]

Just enjoying the tournament so far and hoping that ultimately the best team wins in a manner that reflects well on the game as a whole

 

[Originunknown]

Can't stand the muppet. His inability to change or adapt tactically during games is unforgivable at this level. Over-promoted wanker.

 

[Stato]

Ha, I thought I had deleted that. I'm not sure what's going on with the multi quote. I quoted you, wrote the reply, read it, thought it was a bit unnecessary and deleted it before posting a reply to swansman. Not sure how it's popped up.

Anyway, what I mean in simpler terms is: there are plenty of reasons why people slag off England/Southgate. Hopefully they'll all be posted here in some form or other and they'll become clear to you.

I can only speak for my own motivation. I want England to win. Southgate is frustrating because gets so much right as England manager, but he never learns or progresses in tactical terms. He has a safety first approach and after six years in the job, still has not learned how to make in-game changes when his first plan is not working. My criticisms are not moans, they are my own (obviously very limited) analysis of where we might be going wrong, or where improvement could be made. I'll continue to make them in the appropriate threads thanks. I'll also read and appreciate the multifarious viewpoints in those threads whether I agree with them or not.

 

[RowZ]

GS's ingame management - or lack off - lost us 2, and soon will be 3 tournaments. This is without going into his selections / formations / shape / tactics......woeful.

He got so lucky in his routes to the semis/final in previous years.

Players should be smart enough to stand up and call him out.

He's just a puppet for all the j00ish agendas anyway (blm, transexuals etc)....FA have close links with Government.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

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If I'm being honest, I'd be likewise disinclined to give a start to Edmund Blackadder

 

[Swansman]

He's just a puppet for all the j00ish agendas anyway (blm, transexuals etc)....FA have close links with Government.

bye bye

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

I used to be in the England travel club back in the day, generally enjoyed myself abroad but eventually got bored of hearing “10 German bombers” or songs about Lee Rigby from the Tommy Robinson brigade. I lost my “mojo” as they say, for the national team and once that’s gone, it’s gone.

 

[nwgull]

Southgate is fine. Perhaps he shows too much loyalty to out of form and injured players as well as favouring Big-7/Villa/Palace players. But he is a good person if a little naive tactically. I would agree that he is the second best England manager of all time.

Bit of a myth that he favours Villa and Palace players though, isn't it? He's picked 2 Palace players in his entire time and none have made a tournament squad. The only Villa players I can think of he's picked are Grealish, who's easily in the squad on merit, and Mings, who's been dropped this time round.

I also agree that Southgate is probably the 2nd best England manager of all time though. Managing England is a different job to club management, as successful club coaches like SGE, Capello and Hodgson found out.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I can only speak for my own motivation. I want England to win. Southgate is frustrating because gets so much right as England manager, but he never learns or progresses in tactical terms. He has a safety first approach and after six years in the job, still has not learned how to make in-game changes when his first plan is not working. My criticisms are not moans, they are my own (obviously very limited) analysis of where we might be going wrong, or where improvement could be made. I'll continue to make them in the appropriate threads thanks. I'll also read and appreciate the multifarious viewpoints in those threads whether I agree with them or not.

I agree fully with your analysis. When faced with the option of playing to our strengths or trying to protect our weakness he all too often goes for the latter. I often find it infuriating. I have no problem with posts/comments like that.

My complaint is with the posters who don't offer analysis, who just slag off Southgate and England, who say they'd rather another team does better than England and then keep posting about how crap England are, who outright say they don't care about England and then keep posting about how crap England are, who refuse to give any credit whatsoever to Southgate and the team, who say we'll get knocked out by the first half decent team we play(as if that's news - we've been doing it tournament in/tournament out for decades. They don't even need to be half decent to beat us!) and outright refuse to enjoy any modicum of success that England have.

I should say it was meant to be a relatively light hearted thread but I've probably been a bot too feisty from the off!

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Whatever it is I’m against it

Quite right.

 

[Swansman]

Don't like GS as a manager, too much safety/cowardness.

Main problem for England and their/your hopes to win the World Cup is that the team just isn't as good as Spain/France/Argentina/Brazil/Portugal/mayhaps Germany. How many of your players would be week-out-week-in starters for City (if there was no HGP rules), Real Madrid, PSG etc.?

Those saying that "with a different coach, England would be dead certain to win the last two cups and probably this one" just ignores the simple reality that other teams have better footballers.

That said, the lack of bravery and the perhaps best player (Foden) isn't playing certainly isn't helping.

 

[Originunknown]

GS's ingame management - or lack off - lost us 2, and soon will be 3 tournaments. This is without going into his selections / formations / shape / tactics......woeful.

He got so lucky in his routes to the semis/final in previous years.

Some good points but then signed off with some wild conspiracy..

 

[BN9 BHA]

I will comment on England, whether negative or positive on whatever thread I choose to. Last time I looked this board was not run by the Communist Chinese

I never understand why some people on this forum nominate themselves as the thread police, we have moderators for this.

 

[hart's shirt]

I want England to win.

I want Albion players to win.

I don't want Albion players to win at the expense of England.

I rate Southgate as a person.

I don't rate Southgate as a manager.

Just wondering which part of the Venn diagram I'm in.

 

[Guinness Boy]

So the normal matchday threads should be some kind of echo chamber for English nationalists who feel Gareth Southgate is king and that watching Stones and Maguire pass the ball to each other for 90 minutes is absolutely non-shit?

Good luck

Whereas watching Dunk and Webster do it against some bottom three blockers was apparently tactical genius, unlucky and a long term plan

 

[Stat Brother]

I have no idea why English football fans, of age, are behind the national team.
I have even less of an idea why any Albion fans are behind this England team, while 'our' players are putting on a show, on the world stage.