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England and the flag of St George
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Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I also think that the 1997 Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly referendums cemented the move away from the Union Flag towards the Cross Of St. George.
We, as in my friends and I, were flying St Georges flag at Italia 90, and it was not a far right political statement.
bWize
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grumpyoldman
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There is little doubt that the flag of St George is perceived by some as a racist comment but should we care, I think not. I get more wound up by Scotland and Wales having their own National Anthems and we have to make do with THE National Anthem. I vote for Jerusalem but there are so many much better that God save Our Queen!!
Kuipers Supporters Club
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That's cool, just from what I have seen and been told, its predominately Union flags still then.
I seem to remember that the national front used tbe Union flag more than the Cross of St George, , I'm sure there are pictures on the interweb of the knuckledraggers in Brick Lane, and it's wall to wall Union flags
The Large One
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Really? By whom?
Billy the Fish
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Colonel Sanders half way up on the right. I wonder if that's where he discovered his secret blend of 11 different herbs and spices
Look up NF marches on wiki, its all Union flags, and their motif is the letters NF in Union flag pattern and colours
daveinprague
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NF, BNP have traditionally used Union flags, as they are looking for votes in areas other than England.
EDL, and MFE, tend to fly St Georges Flags...
and many people are, sadly, wary of being associated with our national flags, because they would hate to be identified as followers of any of those organisations.
Its sad, but frankly, its one of the only ways these sort of groups can con people into their organsisations.
Its a shame that far right groups dont create their own flags, rather than hijacking the national ones.
EDL, and MFE, tend to fly St Georges Flags...
and many people are, sadly, wary of being associated with our national flags, because they would hate to be identified as followers of any of those organisations.
Its sad, but frankly, its one of the only ways these sort of groups can con people into their organsisations.
Its a shame that far right groups dont create their own flags, rather than hijacking the national ones.
Superphil
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I don't know anyone from abroad who associates the St George's flag with the far right/racism etc, and I know a lot of people from abroad. 
daveinprague
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Was kind of referrring to people in the UK.....
Ive actually heard somebody say 'i hope nobody thinks im a racist' whilst attaching a St George sticker flag to their car...sadly, it happens...
Most people from abroad would think the Union flag covers all....I saw one flag seller in Brazil that had a massive flag with all the competitors flags on it... ours was the Union Flag
Ive actually heard somebody say 'i hope nobody thinks im a racist' whilst attaching a St George sticker flag to their car...sadly, it happens...
Most people from abroad would think the Union flag covers all....I saw one flag seller in Brazil that had a massive flag with all the competitors flags on it... ours was the Union Flag
BlockDpete
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- Oct 8, 2005
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I'm OK with the flag of St George, but would prefer to see more of a Three Lions flag. Either the England badge or the three lions on the the Royal Standard.
Links the team back to English monarchs.
Links the team back to English monarchs.
Italy 1990 was the first time England flags started to appear in large numbers, although the Union flag was still quite prominent. Not many of either in 1994 (!) but by Euro 1996 it was mainly St George's Cross, probably because it was cheaper to print them.
Nothing racist about either flag.
Nothing racist about either flag.
daveinprague
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No, there is nothing racist about either flag, but plenty that is racist from groups hi-jacking our national flag. Hence the reserve about it amongst some people.
Like I said, its a shame these groups havnt created their own flags.
Like I said, its a shame these groups havnt created their own flags.
The Grockle
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I don't know anyone from abroad who associates the St George's flag with the far right/racism etc, and I know a lot of people from abroad.
I've had countless arguments with my German girlfriend on this issue, she associates the flag with racists and sees the union flag as the 'proper' flag. Other polish, italian, Spanish friends I have say similar things but this couod be due to the kind of people who fly the flag
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My only reserve in identifying with a flag is its other associations. There is nothing wrong with loving your own country, it's just those who seem to hate all others who have spoiled the party.
It was The Sun newspaper in 1996 that accelerated the flying of the flag of St George. That was enough for me to develop a dislike for it. The strange thing is that I've never felt the same way about the Union flag though, I love to see its colours at full mast.
It was The Sun newspaper in 1996 that accelerated the flying of the flag of St George. That was enough for me to develop a dislike for it. The strange thing is that I've never felt the same way about the Union flag though, I love to see its colours at full mast.
The Grockle
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Some interesting responses here.
Personally I'm staunchly patriotic, English first then British but would think twice before displaying the cross of st George due to the negative conartations. I think I'd have fewer reservations about the union flag, despite as others have pointed out its connections with far right groups.
It's quite sad that like myself, many seem to have reservations about flying the nations flag but it probably has more to do with worrying about being perceived as common than racist or overly nationalist. Doesnt seem to be such an issue in other countries from what ive seen
Personally I'm staunchly patriotic, English first then British but would think twice before displaying the cross of st George due to the negative conartations. I think I'd have fewer reservations about the union flag, despite as others have pointed out its connections with far right groups.
It's quite sad that like myself, many seem to have reservations about flying the nations flag but it probably has more to do with worrying about being perceived as common than racist or overly nationalist. Doesnt seem to be such an issue in other countries from what ive seen
Go to Wales and the Dragon is flown proudly every where. The Stripes in the USA the same. Seems just an agenda by the right on/we must not offend anyone brigade to diss our flag. The same plums that do not realise that the 3 Lions should be crouching and the Welsh dragon should faced in a certain direction.