- May 8, 2018
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Does the act relate to criminality or health and safety?
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[Help] Employment disciplinary advice.
- Thread starter Bowers-sfc
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Washie
Well-known member
The scene is a Car Park. Try to imagine a scene of how someone who can record both audio an video without knowledge. I am truly struggling to see it in my head.
cloud
Well-known member
Using a button-hole camera. They are fairly easy to get hold of.
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WilburySeagull
New member
There are far too many unknowns in this story for anyone to give proper advice rather than pure speculation. The OP's friend needs proper legal advice on the position.
Anyone using any of them. Well let's just say. They are probably in the surveylance business.
el punal
Well-known member
Straight forward answer to a complicated post - tell your friend to go to a solicitor/law firm that (1) deals with employment law and (2) provides a free 30 minute consultation to enable the solicitor to decide if there is a case to answer or not.
Your friend should then accept the advice given, whether good or bad news. Another option would be to contact the Citizens Advice Bureau, again, for advice and guidance.
Hope that helps.
Your friend should then accept the advice given, whether good or bad news. Another option would be to contact the Citizens Advice Bureau, again, for advice and guidance.
Hope that helps.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
- 6,830
Wise words. And don't forget if there is no goodwill from the employer they can just as easily put on any reference ' resigned in the face of a disciplinary hearing '. Thereby still trying to scupper their chances of getting another job. It's still quite amazing how many people still believe the nonsense about how a previous employer cannot give you a poor reference.
Bowers-sfc
forever red, never blue
- Feb 20, 2011
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- Thread starter
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A lot to take in and feed back. Mainly screenshots that I’m sending, not sure I want to send them
The link if I’m honest haha.
I can assure you ‘my friend’ is definitely not me, I work in retail for the orange supermarket... though I know it’s a common term when somebody is embarrassed or ashamed
To say it’s about them.
Too many to reply
To individually, but thank you for all your responses. Appreciate the wise words.
What they did would be gross misconduct, and other people have been sacked for the same thing. Normally the cases have been done and dusted within a week or 2 max according to their union rep. So we are in week 6 at moment with him.
He was highly thought of before this situation, and was their next star I guess? They had put a lot
Of time and training into him. What he done was in his first week of the job, and assures me he has never done it since.
I believe it was filmed on a phone the customer was holding.
The link if I’m honest haha.
I can assure you ‘my friend’ is definitely not me, I work in retail for the orange supermarket... though I know it’s a common term when somebody is embarrassed or ashamed
To say it’s about them.
Too many to reply
To individually, but thank you for all your responses. Appreciate the wise words.
What they did would be gross misconduct, and other people have been sacked for the same thing. Normally the cases have been done and dusted within a week or 2 max according to their union rep. So we are in week 6 at moment with him.
He was highly thought of before this situation, and was their next star I guess? They had put a lot
Of time and training into him. What he done was in his first week of the job, and assures me he has never done it since.
I believe it was filmed on a phone the customer was holding.
Boss (possibly): "Well, he's been brilliant for us for the last 18 months; we've invested massively; he made a mistake, cut him some slack"
HR (possibly): "You kidding me? He did something that is gross misconduct within a week of starting work here. How can you possibly know that he hasn't been doing it every week since?"
Boss: "Err"
I remain really surprised that it's taken 6 weeks to get to a decision based on the facts as you present them. But it has.
I can’t offer any advice. I’m puzzled why the customer took 18 months to raise this though.
It would seem your friend has been really stupid as opposed to anything wilfully malicious, or worse. I hope they learn from this and it doesn’t affect their future employment opportunities too much. Good luck.
It would seem your friend has been really stupid as opposed to anything wilfully malicious, or worse. I hope they learn from this and it doesn’t affect their future employment opportunities too much. Good luck.
It's stated that the customer waited until he needed more product from the Company then used the video as leverage to try and get a discount off the price. Nice.
Oh. I didn’t see that. Irrespective of what the friend did, that’s very low.
Or the mystery shopper business, or both
I can't be the only one who is absolutely desperate to know the full details?
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Sounds to me that they entered a property of a deceased person as part of their work and found something worth nicking? Just guessing though.
Anyway, not judging but they made their choice and they have to live with it? Best outcome resign and move on, agree with the above that maybe plead or negotiate for a date-only reference and reason for leaving: resigned.
Anyway, not judging but they made their choice and they have to live with it? Best outcome resign and move on, agree with the above that maybe plead or negotiate for a date-only reference and reason for leaving: resigned.
Not trying to be flippant here, but I work for a very well known (worldwide) company and I hold a very good position, am well thought of and earn a decent salary.
If I ever was unfortunate.....or silly enough, to transgress my company’s rules and put myself in a situation where I was likely to be dismissed over GROSS MISCONDUCT, I think I would have to take it on the chin and just say ‘it’s a fair cop guv’
Most companies have a laid out, often negotiated with trade unions or employee representatives, code of conduct. If your ‘friend’ has transgressed these guidelines, then regardless of circumstances he ought to face the music.
My job involves me visiting customers in their houses, observing engineers behaviour and ensuring that their standards of service are befitting of our company name...and the customers expectations.
Your friend must have really gone the extra mile and royally p1ssed someone off
AlastairWatts
Active member
Why waste (anyones) time over this? Looks to me as if your friend is about to join the ranks of the self-employed...