[Albion] Emiliano Martinez

[blockhseagull]

Ryan to China

Already been posted that can’t go to China as a keeper.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

1. Ryan was a Hughton signing.
2. He is not especially impressive playing out from the back.
3. He is only 6 foot 0.
4. We have lost height at set pieces with the departure of Duffy and Murray, and the possible dropping of BDB from the 1st XI.

The signing of 6 foot 5 Martinez therefore makes some sense, although Ryan has never let us down and has set the bar high. That fingertip save vs Southampton is the best save I've seen any Albion keeper make.

In what way do you mean? If it was his long balls/clearances I would have said there was some merit to this argument but there were some stats posted over the summer that showed he was something like the second/third most accurate keeper in the league for his long balls.

If you mean short passing/keeping possession I think you're wrong. I can't remember a single time when he's lost possession from passing in his box with the defence/midfield and he's had players pass to him when he's basically on his line with a striker on top of him and he's still kept possession. Certainly he makes it look like he's about to lose the ball but he never does.

You've only got to look at Walton to see the difference between a keeper not good with his feet and Ryan. Walton was on the pitch for less than 10 minutes before being dispossessed.

 

[Stat Brother]

1. Ryan was a Hughton signing.
2. He is not especially impressive playing out from the back.
3. He is only 6 foot 0.
4. We have lost height at set pieces with the departure of Duffy and Murray, and the possible dropping of BDB from the 1st XI.

The signing of 6 foot 5 Martinez therefore makes some sense, although Ryan has never let us down and has set the bar high. That fingertip save vs Southampton is the best save I've seen any Albion keeper make.

5. Maybe the signing of Martinez might make Maty grow a couple more inches.


I to 4 are all valid points, granted 1 is a little shaky but 4 is almost as immense as a Duffy block.



I'm certainly not ready to even consider Maty moving on, but point 4 now has me worried for his future, so thanks for that esp on Season Kick Off Eve... ...eve.

 

[vagabond]

Well he’s left out the Arsenal match day squad today. So looks like a move to Villa or us is imminent.

 

[brighton_tom]

Would be happy with this signing but not at the expense of using that money for a striker. For me Ryan has done nothing to warrant immediately being replaced but its a risk only having one experienced keeper, so this move does make sense. We're looking to improve and this is definitely something that could be upgraded. If Ryan got suspended or injured then currently its either Steele (who at his last club was described as their worst ever keeper by some Sunderland fans), Walton (who had a pretty average season in the Championship), or Sanchez (who hasnt played above League one). So although we're hoping one of the back ups comes good, its probably not a risk Potter wants to take so could very well be in the market for a new keeper.

 

[Swansman]

Why 0% both would be in the squad? If Ryan was injured would you be happy with Steele, Walton or Sanchez in goal for a extended period?

With Walton injured (who I am still not convinced is a credible PL player) I can see why we might be asking questions about strengthening this area.

There are many PL clubs with more than one credible goalkeeping option.

I also don’t understand why you think having someone challenging your position does not result in you raising your game. For example Glenn Murray was not hugely impressed by the signing of Locadia and that drove him on to prove a point. It’s also not just about competition it’s about training and playing with higher quality players that help you raise your game.

Martinez is leaving Arsenal because he wants to be first choice so that he can challenge for the keeper spot in the Argentina national team. The club wouldnt sign a reluctant backup keeper for £20m.

This would, in your scenario, leave Ryan as the backup keeper. This guy has been a goalkeeper in 110 of the 114 games, he is obviously working hard as his distribution got better and better, he is a goalkeeper and a loyal servant. Would GP out of nowhere suddenly say: "Ryan, you are not touching a football for the next year". I seriously doubt it. If the intention was to bring in a new starting keeper, the club would try to help him find a way out rather than destroying his career.

 

[Seasider78]

Martinez is leaving Arsenal because he wants to be first choice so that he can challenge for the keeper spot in the Argentina national team. The club wouldnt sign a reluctant backup keeper for £20m.

This would, in your scenario, leave Ryan as the backup keeper. This guy has been a goalkeeper in 110 of the 114 games, he is obviously working hard as his distribution got better and better, he is a goalkeeper and a loyal servant. Would GP out of nowhere suddenly say: "Ryan, you are not touching a football for the next year". I seriously doubt it. If the intention was to bring in a new starting keeper, the club would try to help him find a way out rather than destroying his career.

Yes Ryan could find himself as a back up goalkeeper if we signed a better option. That’s what happens in football regardless of how many games somebody has played already. Players and managers know this I don’t know why you think Ryan is any different to Duffy, Montoya, Stephens, Murray, Knockeart or any other players who were regulars but found themselves out of the starting 11 when better alternatives have come in or youth has pushed on.

 

[Cozzy]

Adding some fuel to the fire ....... Arsenal are said to want the Brentford GK as the replacement .... Martinez not in Arsenal squad today ..... Brentford GK not in their match day squad today

2+2 = both missing pending transfers just who Martinez is going to to sort out

 

[vagabond]

Martinez is leaving Arsenal because he wants to be first choice so that he can challenge for the keeper spot in the Argentina national team. The club wouldnt sign a reluctant backup keeper for £20m.

This would, in your scenario, leave Ryan as the backup keeper. This guy has been a goalkeeper in 110 of the 114 games, he is obviously working hard as his distribution got better and better, he is a goalkeeper and a loyal servant. Would GP out of nowhere suddenly say: "Ryan, you are not touching a football for the next year". I seriously doubt it. If the intention was to bring in a new starting keeper, the club would try to help him find a way out rather than destroying his career.

This is elite level football and respectfully a very different animal to the Swedish leagues. Look at how ruthless Guardiola was with Joe Hart.

If a player becomes available that GP, Ashworth and Tony believe significantly improves the team and fits our profile they will do it. Look at what happened to Hughton.

If this scenario were to happen the club could hardly give Matty notice in case the deal doesn’t come off. One of the tricky things with goalkeepers.

As always I back and trust the club.

 

[One Love]

Well he’s left out the Arsenal match day squad today. So looks like a move to Villa or us is imminent.

We know who that's gonna be then.

 

[peterward]

This is elite level football and respectfully a very different animal to the Swedish leagues. Look at how ruthless Guardiola was with Joe Hart.

If a player becomes available that GP, Ashworth and Tony believe significantly improves the team and fits our profile they will do it. Look at what happened to Hughton.

If this scenario were to happen the club could hardly give Matty notice in case the deal doesn’t come off. One of the tricky things with goalkeepers.

As always I back and trust the club.

me too.........And we make simplistic judgements just by what we see with our eyes......... Somewhere in recruitment HQ, they'll be number crunching algorithms that show we had this many defensive blocks, and this many goals conceded, by these types of on field scenarios, and this many GK errors, and this many x,y,z etc and Martinez stats were a,b,c and on that basis the data shows.................

We know Bloom does stuff on data, would have to be that either data shows Martinez is significantly better, or that unbeknown to us, Maty wants to move and Martinez is his data driven best available replacement within our remit.

 

[Icy Gull]

No player should expect to be an auto pick, Ryan has had zero competition since he’s been here. If he’s unwilling to fight for his place we should ship him out but I hope he has some Australian grit and won’t just chuck in the towel if we sign some genuine competition.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

No player should expect to be an auto pick, Ryan has had zero competition since he’s been here. If he’s unwilling to fight for his place we should ship him out but I hope he has some Australian grit and won’t just chuck in the towel if we sign some genuine competition.

Stat Brother incoming in 3...2...1

 

[Swansman]

Yes Ryan could find himself as a back up goalkeeper if we signed a better option. That’s what happens in football regardless of how many games somebody has played already. Players and managers know this I don’t know why you think Ryan is any different to Duffy, Montoya, Stephens, Murray, Knockeart or any other players who were regulars but found themselves out of the starting 11 when better alternatives have come in or youth has pushed on.

The difference is that none of them were limited to 0 minutes of football, which is the most likely thing for backup keeper.

"Thats what happens in football"... give me some examples where the first choice keeper for several years was replaced and deemed to the bench just before or when the season already had started? It is uncommon.

This is elite level football and respectfully a very different animal to the Swedish leagues. Look at how ruthless Guardiola was with Joe Hart.

If a player becomes available that GP, Ashworth and Tony believe significantly improves the team and fits our profile they will do it. Look at what happened to Hughton.

If this scenario were to happen the club could hardly give Matty notice in case the deal doesn’t come off. One of the tricky things with goalkeepers.

As always I back and trust the club.

First of all: this kind of stuff happens in Sweden as well, and in every other country. The main difference between English and Swedish football is the ocean of quality that separates the football on the pitch, and that you can usually hear the fans while watching Swedish football on TV. Business & results wise its the same thing: no one will play out of solidarity or sentimental reasons.

The Guardiola vs Joe Hart comparison is not very good. Hart is a poor keeper that had played bad for multiple years. Guardiola told him to **** off, and here is where one of the few similarities come into play: he did not want a disgruntled player expecting to be first choice in his team, so he was sent to Torino.

You dont want massively disappointed players in your team. I'm sure Duffy wasnt happy and I'm sure Murray wasnt happy, but they both knew that they would occasionally play and could deal with it. For a keeper its a different situation.

Anyway, with people from the club repeatingly telling about the difficult economical situation, I "doubt" (I'd like to say that I know they wont..) they are going to sign Martinez. Is he better than Ryan? From what I've seen, yeah, possibly a bit better. Is he "£20m in difficult financial times" better than Ryan? I seriously doubt it.

We'll see. Im on a 100% record of predicting the outcome of rumours so far this summer... if Martinez ****s off to Villa and Brewster joins Brighton, I'm close to godlike in this area...

 

[Swansman]

No player should expect to be an auto pick, Ryan has had zero competition since he’s been here. If he’s unwilling to fight for his place we should ship him out but I hope he has some Australian grit and won’t just chuck in the towel if we sign some genuine competition.

Could you mention a few examples when two keepers on near equal terms competing for the choice of being first keeper didnt turn out into a complete shitshow? In the nature of the exposed goalie role, trust & confidence is more important than competition. Just look at the Mignolet vs Karius stuff in Liverpool - they both looked like they were going to shit themselves constantly because they knew a mistake or two would make them end up on the bench.

 

[blockhseagull]

Could you mention a few examples when two keepers on near equal terms competing for the choice of being first keeper didnt turn out into a complete shitshow? In the nature of the exposed goalie role, trust & confidence is more important than competition. Just look at the Mignolet vs Karius stuff in Liverpool - they both looked like they were going to shit themselves constantly because they knew a mistake or two would make them end up on the bench.

So you believe that every club should have a guaranteed No1 and the back up keeper should only be used in case of injury or suspension.

 

[Swansman]

So you believe that every club should have a guaranteed No1 and the back up keeper should only be used in case of injury or suspension.

Yes absolutely and if you look at 95% of the teams in top football, the managers seemingly agree. In the few cases there's been serious competition between keepers, it always ends with one or both of them getting sold or released at the end of the season. The only exception I can think of is the current iteration of Juventus, where everyone is fine with Buffon randomly replacing Szczesny for a game every now and then.

 

[blockhseagull]

Yes absolutely and if you look at 95% of the teams in top football, the managers seemingly agree. In the few cases there's been serious competition between keepers, it always ends with one or both of them getting sold or released at the end of the season. The only exception I can think of is the current iteration of Juventus, where everyone is fine with Buffon randomly replacing Szczesny for a game every now and then.

So you’d be happy with Walton or Steele in goal then ?

Because I wouldn’t

 

[Seasider78]

The difference is that none of them were limited to 0 minutes of football, which is the most likely thing for backup keeper.

"Thats what happens in football"... give me some examples where the first choice keeper for several years was replaced and deemed to the bench just before or when the season already had started? It is uncommon.



First of all: this kind of stuff happens in Sweden as well, and in every other country. The main difference between English and Swedish football is the ocean of quality that separates the football on the pitch, and that you can usually hear the fans while watching Swedish football on TV. Business & results wise its the same thing: no one will play out of solidarity or sentimental reasons.

The Guardiola vs Joe Hart comparison is not very good. Hart is a poor keeper that had played bad for multiple years. Guardiola told him to **** off, and here is where one of the few similarities come into play: he did not want a disgruntled player expecting to be first choice in his team, so he was sent to Torino.

You dont want massively disappointed players in your team. I'm sure Duffy wasnt happy and I'm sure Murray wasnt happy, but they both knew that they would occasionally play and could deal with it. For a keeper its a different situation.

Anyway, with people from the club repeatingly telling about the difficult economical situation, I "doubt" (I'd like to say that I know they wont..) they are going to sign Martinez. Is he better than Ryan? From what I've seen, yeah, possibly a bit better. Is he "£20m in difficult financial times" better than Ryan? I seriously doubt it.

We'll see. Im on a 100% record of predicting the outcome of rumours so far this summer... if Martinez ****s off to Villa and Brewster joins Brighton, I'm close to godlike in this area...

What are you talking about Chelsea, Villa, Everton and Sheff United are all in the market for a goalkeeper at the moment the goalkeeper position is not exempt from being upgraded you are talking nonsense.

My feeling on this one is Villa is the most likely destination but it is being reported we are in the mix which suggests the club are in the market for a goalkeeper.

Oh and by the way if he goes there Villa already have Tom Heaton on their books who is working to be fit which would mean they have two very good goalkeepers on their books which kind of puts your theory about having two potential starting goalkeepers in your squad to bed.

You seem to be painting Ryan as untouchable which no player is.

 

[Stat Brother]

So you’d be happy with Walton or Steele in goal then ?

Because I wouldn’t

Hasn't Walton been groomed for this very situation?