Election - Why oh why oh why? Please enlighten me.

[Biscuit Barrel]

I can understand peeps voting lib dem, voting UkIP , voting greens, voting for independants, voting for the tories, even SNP, but why oh why oh why would anyone in their right mind ever ever ever again vote labour . Their record of bringing this country to its knees over and over again is testament that sentiment and good hearts do not cut it when it comes to running a solid economic and socially cohesive society.
Give me strength that they even have the audacity to stand at this election after the mess they created previously and that the tories have been hamstrung by in trying to turm Britain back into Great Britain.

I could not agree more. I find it almost incomprehensible that Labour are lecturing the Tories about how to run an economy after the mess they left 5 years ago. I find it even harder too believe that Ed Balls is trying to become the chancellor after nearly bankrupting the country. Bare Faced Cheek can be the only explanation.

It is all very well the Labour Party saying how much they are going to spend on public services if they get re-elected. But it will be very hard to spend anything if they destroy the economy again, which is what they will do.

 

[Simster]

I could not agree more. I find it almost incomprehensible that Labour are lecturing the Tories about how to run an economy after the mess they left 5 years ago. I find it even harder too believe that Ed Balls is trying to become the chancellor after nearly bankrupting the country. Bare Faced Cheek can be the only explanation.

It is all very well the Labour Party saying how much they are going to spend on public services if they get re-elected. But it will be very hard to spend anything if they destroy the economy again, which is what they will do.

Oh FFS, what "mess" exactly? They didn't leave a mess. They left a public sector borrowing deficit that was smaller than it is now.

They deserved to lose power because they became arrogant and Brown was an unelected nasty piece of work. They didn't leave a mess.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

Oh FFS, what "mess" exactly? They didn't leave a mess. They left a public sector borrowing deficit that was smaller than it is now.

They deserved to lose power because they became arrogant and Brown was an unelected nasty piece of work. They didn't leave a mess.

Is this a joke? The country was nearly bankrupt. We lost our AAA rating. A run on a British bank for the first time in 100 years. A banking sector completely out of control and being baled out by the tax payers and the most severe recession in peace time. And you ask "what mess"!!!!!!!

 

[Hotchilidog]

Is this a joke? The country was nearly bankrupt. We lost our AAA rating. A run on a British bank for the first time in 100 years. A banking sector completely out of control and being baled out by the tax payers and the most severe recession in peace time. And you ask "what mess"!!!!!!!

You are aware that the country was not in recession at the end of the last government. You may also be interested to hear that our triple A rating was lost on Osborne's watch as result of the double dip recession his brilliant austerity wheeze caused. The Tories are great at recessions. They find them useful in cowering the masses as after all all their chums never feel the pain they cause.

 

[Simster]

Is this a joke? The country was nearly bankrupt. We lost our AAA rating. A run on a British bank for the first time in 100 years. A banking sector completely out of control and being baled out by the tax payers and the most severe recession in peace time. And you ask "what mess"!!!!!!!

The only joke here is your nonsense.

"The country was nearly bankrupt"? Good God. Are you being serious? We haven't come close to going bankrupt
"We lost our AAA rating". Again, this is more scaremongering. It happened on the Tory watch but doesn't mean a great deal anyway. Have a look down this list of nations. We are AA+ which is very strong, same as Austria, Bermuda (tax haven), and Hong Kong. All it means is that we pay a fraction more than AAA countries in order to borrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating
"A run on a British bank for the first time in 100 years". Except of course, under the Tories, when the Bank of England (before it was independent of politics) kept raising and raising interest rates to prop up the pound in an effort to stay inside the ERM.
"A banking sector completely out of control and being baled out by the tax payers". I don't recall the Tories calling for increased regulation. Because they didn't.
"he most severe recession in peace time". Apart from the 1970s, and the double dip since 2010 you mean? Besides, this was a global recession caused by the collapse of the prime mortgage market in the US.

Typical Tory. Shout long and loud enough and I'm sure some mugs will believe you. Meanwhile, what is your band of useless Bullingdon bullies going to privatise next to subsidise your next round of tax cuts for the wealthy?

 

[yxee]

Oh FFS, what "mess" exactly? They didn't leave a mess. They left a public sector borrowing deficit that was smaller than it is now.

That is not correct. The deficit has been reduced since 2010.

 

[Simster]

That is not correct. The deficit has been reduced since 2010.

Ah yes, but the national debt has continued to climb:

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

The only joke here is your nonsense.

"The country was nearly bankrupt"? Good God. Are you being serious? We haven't come close to going bankrupt
"We lost our AAA rating". Again, this is more scaremongering. It happened on the Tory watch but doesn't mean a great deal anyway. Have a look down this list of nations. We are AA+ which is very strong, same as Austria, Bermuda (tax haven), and Hong Kong. All it means is that we pay a fraction more than AAA countries in order to borrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating
"A run on a British bank for the first time in 100 years". Except of course, under the Tories, when the Bank of England (before it was independent of politics) kept raising and raising interest rates to prop up the pound in an effort to stay inside the ERM.
"A banking sector completely out of control and being baled out by the tax payers". I don't recall the Tories calling for increased regulation. Because they didn't.
"he most severe recession in peace time". Apart from the 1970s, and the double dip since 2010 you mean? Besides, this was a global recession caused by the collapse of the prime mortgage market in the US.

Typical Tory. Shout long and loud enough and I'm sure some mugs will believe you. Meanwhile, what is your band of useless Bullingdon bullies going to privatise next to subsidise your next round of tax cuts for the wealthy?

I am not a Tory. Just because I think Labour can't be trusted with the British economy, does not make me a Tory.

 

[Simster]

Just because I think Labour can't be trusted with the British economy, does not make me a Tory.

No it's the feeble fact-free scaremongering of life on Labour's watch that makes you a Tory.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

No it's the feeble fact-free scaremongering of life on Labour's watch that makes you a Tory.

No. That make me sane. Anyway the British public will get their say tomorrow.

 

[Simster]

No. That make me sane. Anyway the British public will get their say tomorrow.

On what grounds? Everything you said was complete bollocks. Especially the bit about the country being left "nearly bankrupt" Absolutely laughable.

 

[London Irish]

I can understand peeps voting lib dem, voting UkIP , voting greens, voting for independants, voting for the tories, even SNP, but why oh why oh why would anyone in their right mind ever ever ever again vote labour . Their record of bringing this country to its knees over and over again is testament that sentiment and good hearts do not cut it when it comes to running a solid economic and socially cohesive society.
Give me strength that they even have the audacity to stand at this election after the mess they created previously and that the tories have been hamstrung by in trying to turm Britain back into Great Britain.

Wow, Sun reading really is bad for your brain. The British economy was growing into the 2010 election but went back into recession when the Tories sucked demand out of the economy with their dumb economically illiterate austerity policies. We then had the slowest recovery in entire British history, all FACTS

 

[East Preston Gull]

Wow, Sun reading really is bad for your brain. The British economy was growing into the 2010 election but went back into recession when the Tories sucked demand out of the economy with their dumb economically illiterate austerity policies. We then had the slowest recovery in entire British history, all FACTS

That is just nonsense, Labour had royally ****ed us, if they had stayed in power the country would have been a dead duck by 2013. At the moment it is just a bit lame.

 

[London Irish]

That is just nonsense, Labour had royally ****ed us, if they had stayed in power the country would have been a dead duck by 2013. At the moment it is just a bit lame.

FACTS - this from an FT article published only today:

"The backdrop of both 2010 and 2015 campaigns was one of a growing economy. Labour’s last Budget before the 2010 election forecast gross domestic product growth of 3 per cent in each of the following two years"

(Forecasts which were then wrecked by the scale of Osborne's politics-driven cuts)

 

[BLOCK F]

Lots of pairs of Red Rose Tinted specs in evidence on this thread.
Governments make mistakes whatever colour they are.Just can't believe the collective amnesia, amongst some, about Labour's less than shining record on the economy whenever they have held power.
I just hope the public come to their senses tomorrow and we don't end up with Ed propped up by the even more Red Nicola.

 

[yxee]

Ah yes, but the national debt has continued to climb:

I think that chart would look a whole lot scarier had Gordon Brown been in number 10. Wasn't "spend our way out of recession" their economic policy?

Running a deficit in the boom years of 2000-2005 was just absurd. That is what I can't abide. It's ridiculous.

 

[Giraffe]

I can understand peeps voting lib dem, voting UkIP , voting greens, voting for independants, voting for the tories, even SNP, but why oh why oh why would anyone in their right mind ever ever ever again vote labour . Their record of bringing this country to its knees over and over again is testament that sentiment and good hearts do not cut it when it comes to running a solid economic and socially cohesive society.
Give me strength that they even have the audacity to stand at this election after the mess they created previously and that the tories have been hamstrung by in trying to turm Britain back into Great Britain.

Completely agree. I genuinely think that anyone voting for labour needs a brain transplant. Will people never learn?

 

[Gwylan]

Just can't believe the collective amnesia, amongst some, about Labour's less than shining record on the economy whenever they have held power.

Plenty of people have mentioned that the last Labour government didn't exactly screw up the economy but it's worth pointing out that Labour have got a decent record on the economy. I gave chapter and verse on this a few months ago, on another thread and I can't be bothered to go into it again but their record is no worse or better than the Tories - all governments fail to a certain extent, otherwise why would they be voted out?

 

[drew]

Lots of pairs of Red Rose Tinted specs in evidence on this thread.
Governments make mistakes whatever colour they are.Just can't believe the collective amnesia, amongst some, about Labour's less than shining record on the economy whenever they have held power.
I just hope the public come to their senses tomorrow and we don't end up with Ed propped up by the even more Red Nicola.

I take it your glasses aren't tinted in any colour?

 

[maltaseagull]

It just goes to show that neither of the main parties deserve the right to form a government.

It will never happen, but the ideal would be a coalition of the two main parties.

At least then the government would have been voted in by the majority of the electorate. (Has that ever happened?)

The non stop infighting here is replicated in parliament where MPs oppose bills not because they disagree but because they are told to.

What is even more alarming is the turnout last time at 65% whereas here it was 93% in 2013. So 35% of 65% decide your future!