Elected police chiefs

[User removed 4]

If you mean loads of previous experience of appointing head teachers and ALL the issues arising, then yes that would do it.

I have loads of experience driving a car, but I'm not an expert, so I'll ask you again, What exactly makes a professional busybody like lord bracknell, and the rest of his ilk on that committee "experts"?

 

[User removed 4]

The point he was trying to make, the one you have deliberately ignored, was that you being elected doesn't necessarily make your value to a committee greater (or lesser) than those who are appointed.

No, the point Lord Bracknell was trying to make, was what a clever chap he is, and how lucky the school was to have him as and the rest of the professional committee members as governors.

 

[BigGully]

I never said you made a judgement on the decision.

You said 'I actually feel his view might be less valid than that of the elected parent governor.'

You simply cannot state that with certainty. You're assuming that an elected individual's viewpoint is more valid and better formed than an unelected individual. It might be the case that the elected individual's viewpoint is more valid, but it won't necessarily be because they've been elected.

Lord Bracknell's (valid and correct) point was to say that because they've been elected, it doesn't make them better at the job - it just makes them more accountable. You chose to dismiss his summation with ill-thought out sarcasm.

I said it might be less valid as a result of that decision impacting on a school of which he has neither been elected to represent or had no other personal stake within it.

It was LB that concluded that he with others overruled the only elected representative, proclaiming a superior decision.

How do we know whether it was a good decision or not, it was an arrogant example of why we should somehow accept unaccountability because of his view.

 

[The Large One]

No, the point Lord Bracknell was trying to make, was what a clever chap he is, and how lucky the school was to have him as and the rest of the professional committee members as governors.

You evidently have an issue with people with a background of education, transport, community and welfare experience offering their services for wanting to better their social environment; happy to dismiss them with the meaningless phrase - 'professional busybodies'.

Of course, if you don't want to offer anything to the community, fine. Just curious as to what your downer is on others who do.

 

[The Large One]

I said it might be less valid as a result of that decision impacting on a school of which he has neither been elected to represent or had no other personal stake within it.

It was LB that concluded that he with others overruled the only elected representative, proclaiming a superior decision.

How do we know whether it was a good decision or not, it was an arrogant example of why we should somehow accept unaccountability because of his view.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

 

[Elvis]

I was once told that parent governors are only appointed to make the parents feel as if they have a voice on the school at which their child attends.

Obviously this is the case. I can just imagine the meetings,

' Welcome to the committee, pull up a chair sit at the back and keep your mouth shut!!'

 

[Tooting Gull]

I have loads of experience driving a car, but I'm not an expert, so I'll ask you again, What exactly makes a professional busybody like lord bracknell, and the rest of his ilk on that committee "experts"?

I'm sorry you're not a better driver after all those years driving.

There are slots for various people on these sorts of committees, each has to have the relevant experience for their slot (teachers, local education authority, parents, etc etc. Seriously, what is so hard for you to understand about that?

The bottom line is it's about the individuals. Could you have a very, very good parent governor? Of course you could. But it wouldn't be one with your contempt for the public sector, that's for sure, and that's where 90 per cent of kids get educated.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm sorry you're not a better driver after all those years driving.

There are slots for various people on these sorts of committees, each has to have the relevant experience for their slot (teachers, local education authority, parents, etc etc. Seriously, what is so hard for you to understand about that?

The bottom line is it's about the individuals. Could you have a very, very good parent governor? Of course you could. But it wouldn't be one with your contempt for the public sector, that's for sure, and that's where 90 per cent of kids get educated.

Where have i shown "contempt" for the public sector, I'm genuinely interested.

 

[BigGully]

I'm sorry you're not a better driver after all those years driving.

There are slots for various people on these sorts of committees, each has to have the relevant experience for their slot (teachers, local education authority, parents, etc etc. Seriously, what is so hard for you to understand about that?

The bottom line is it's about the individuals. Could you have a very, very good parent governor? Of course you could. But it wouldn't be one with your contempt for the public sector, that's for sure, and that's where 90 per cent of kids get educated.

Why would greater accountability exclude those that would be critical to this process.

Could you please explain why these skilled,expert and selfless people be unable to enter a process that offers a transparent, accountable and elected forum ??

 

[User removed 4]

You evidently have an issue with people with a background of education, transport, community and welfare experience offering their services for wanting to better their social environment; happy to dismiss them with the meaningless phrase - 'professional busybodies'.

Of course, if you don't want to offer anything to the community, fine. Just curious as to what your downer is on others who do.

I dont have an issue with any of the above, nor do i have an issue with people wanting to better society as a whole , I just have an issue with professional busybodies , and that is how lord bracknell comes across, I've had an issue with school governors and its seeming attractionto professional committee members since finding out that there was a woman governor on the board of my local church of england school, who sent her kids to the local catholic school, that is a professional busybody/dogooder.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

With regard to the appointment of Local Authority school Governors, these are currently made by the political Party Groups, with the Governor posts being broadly allocated to a Party on a proportion based on the political make up of the local Council. The resultant Board of Governors will, therefore, probably be biased in favour of selecting candidates, for vacancies arising, based on political judgements, whereas an elected parent Governor may not see this as relevant.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

An elected Police Chief is a complete irrelevance because the Police are ALREADY accountable to the local community through Police Authorities and MP's.

Like all of CMD's 'initiatives', the only consequence is an abrogation of responsibility by MP's, they're quite happy to sit in the House of Commons with their noses at the trough, but to actually have to do the job they're elected to do...... like hell do they want to do that. They actually want US to run the Country for THEM ( because they can't be arsed to ).

Far too busy organising themselves cosy Company Directorships or Book Deals for their memoirs, or getting themselves in on some nice Quango advisory role.

 

[sten_super]

Why would greater accountability exclude those that would be critical to this process.

Could you please explain why these skilled,expert and selfless people be unable to enter a process that offers a transparent, accountable and elected forum ??

I'm not convinced that anyone on a school board of governors is completely unaccountable. Surely any of these 'professionals' are accountable to the head of the board, and possibly also to the Head or SLT. If they aren't doing their job in a suitable manner then there are ways of removing them from their post.

I'd also question who you would have them elected by. Are you talking about letting the parents vote on the appointment of each and every governor? Surely you can see that there is a severe danger of wasting time/resources on communicating with voters, time which could be better spent actually undertaking the work asked of them, and that's without even considering the issues surrounding 'politicising' every appointment.

 

[The Large One]

Why would greater accountability exclude those that would be critical to this process.

Could you please explain why these skilled,expert and selfless people be unable to enter a process that offers a transparent, accountable and elected forum ??

I can't explain because they wouldn't be unable to. I am sure that if every single place on any given Governors' Board had to be elected, the individuals in question would be quite prepared to stand.

Doesn't guarantee quality of applicant, mind.

 

[Falmerfourtickets]

This type of ideal is why the coilition won't last that long.

 

[otk]

Quality read it has to be said

 

[perseus]

Tactics

Police cheifs have become too politicised as it is. need to focus more on the policing strategy side.

The Police are just working class professionals like Football managers. Elect the Politicians and the Board of Football Directors, but don't let the Manager dictate the club's strategic direction.

Not only that it is f***ing dangerous. Targetting people not because they are political opponents rather than out and out felons is not the British way.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Surely any sane person would want the police force as distanced from politics as is possible? And for pretty obvious reasons as well. We should be striving to increase the distance not reduce it with elected filth.

 

[User removed 4]

Surely any sane person would want the police force as distanced from politics as is possible? And for pretty obvious reasons as well. We should be striving to increase the distance not reduce it with elected filth.

You've really never left the 6th form common room have you ? A perfectly sensible post, and one I probably agree with , and then you end it with elected "filth", i wouldnt mind but you cast yourself as a bit of a voice of reason and tend to sneer at people you would term as chav's who use that sort of language.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You've really never left the 6th form common room have you ? A perfectly sensible post, and one I probably agree with , and then you end it with elected "filth", i wouldnt mind but you cast yourself as a bit of a voice of reason and tend to sneer at people you would term as chav's who use that sort of language.

I don't sneer at chavs due to their language, it's more their sartorial tastes I have an issue with.

Anyway, you previously picked me up when I used the term "cops." I was trying too hard to be urban apparently. Will rozzers do?