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Einstein's General Theory of Relativity Called into Question!



beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,018
Based on the fact that (if I remember rightly), the observable mass in the universe is only about 4% (that's all galaxies,planets etc), the next 26% is dark matter and the balance is dark energy (but we can't detect dark matter/energy and can only theorise it'e existence),

*if* a whole bunch of theories and assumptions about the big bang, inflation etc are valid. if theres problems and omissions in there, then the dark matter isn't needed to make the sums add up.
 




Del Fenner

Because of Boxing Day
Sep 5, 2011
1,438
An Away Terrace
Quantum physics has proven that the universe/reality is a very mysterious 'thing'...

Not sure you can say that. Change "proven" for "postulated" and I'd agree. The OP surely is revisiting the point that everything is always up for review and nothing is a certainty. Including second place :wink:
 






Taybha

Whalewhine
Oct 8, 2008
27,670
Uwantsumorwat
2 monkeys sitting in the bath , the one at the tap end says , ooh oooh ooooh ah ahhh ahhhh ooooooh ooooooh ahh ahhh , the monkey at the other end tuts , and says , well roger if its too hot put some more bloody cold water in it .
 






Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,510
Worthing
Despite all the derision he received, it seems Donald Rumsfeld's summation of the universe is turning out to be smarter than Einstein's: "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

He also said, "I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today will last five days, five weeks or five months, but it won't last any longer than that.

I stick with Einstein if only for the hair.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,018
I never hear theorists taking into account the possible external forces from outside of our universe influencing its growth pattern.

"The Universe is all of time and space and its contents. The Universe includes planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy." so says wikipedia. it is by definition everything, so there cannot be an external force. but there can be forces within the universe that are unseen, within the edges or fabric of the matter and forces. string theory, m-theory, talk of higher dimensions and whatnot is about this area.
 




larus

Well-known member
God moves in mysterious ways, does he not?

We're all entitled to our beliefs; no matter how ludicrous. (I have no idea if you are being serious BTW).

The earth is billions of years old, yet about 2000 years ago, God suddenly took an interest in the earth and those silly things called humans and send his only son to 'save' them. So, what was God doing for all the other billions of years? Kicking back with a few beers? Weekending in the Andromeda Galaxy?
 


symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
"The Universe is all of time and space and its contents. The Universe includes planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy." so says wikipedia. it is by definition everything, so there cannot be an external force. but there can be forces within the universe that are unseen, within the edges or fabric of the matter and forces. string theory, m-theory, talk of higher dimensions and whatnot is about this area.

I am thinking of other universes interacting with our one.
 


easynow

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Mar 17, 2013
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jakarta
We're all entitled to our beliefs; no matter how ludicrous. (I have no idea if you are being serious BTW).

The earth is billions of years old, yet about 2000 years ago, God suddenly took an interest in the earth and those silly things called humans and send his only son to 'save' them. So, what was God doing for all the other billions of years? Kicking back with a few beers? Weekending in the Andromeda Galaxy?

Einstein didn't believe in a personal god that was concerned with humans, but he did have the pantheistic view that the Universe/everything in existence is 'god' or at least connected to 'god' in some way.
 
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easynow

New member
Mar 17, 2013
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jakarta
Not sure you can say that. Change "proven" for "postulated" and I'd agree. The OP surely is revisiting the point that everything is always up for review and nothing is a certainty. Including second place :wink:

the fact that the universe even exist is mysterious haha
 


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Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,132
Faversham
Blimey, what a lot of fey, insoucient pussyfooting on this thread. Where is the definitive declarations of fact we see on the 'promotion', 'Corbyn', 'Trump' and 'new striker' threads? OK here goes:

1. Science thrives on theory competition. When there is only one theory, and everyone believes it, we have religion.

2. There is no god. Obviously.

:lolol:
 






Sweeney Todd

New member
Apr 24, 2008
1,636
Oxford/Lancing
I have always doubted it.
 


larus

Well-known member
Einstein didn't believe in a personal god that was concerned with humans, but he did have the pantheistic view that the Universe/everything in existence is 'god' or at least connected to 'god' in some way.

Now, I could relate more to the thought that everything is somehow 'connected'. But, with what we know (or, more to the point, don't know) about the universe, to believe in the garbage that religion espouses is incredible. Religion (in the traditional sense) will have a shelf-life now; eventually as the world gets more educated, the level of belief will diminish.

As you say; the bigger question is why is there a universe? What created it in the first place? Pringles time?
 


Tricky Dicky

New member
Jul 27, 2004
13,558
Sunny Shoreham
This is the beauty of science.

Indeed, science is constantly questioning itself, it's what it does, and creates new theories accordingly and moves us forward as a race.

Religion, on the other hand, has absolute certainty based on largely ficticious events many centuries ago, and takes us backward as a race ... oh, and is bollox.
 








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