Educating the East End

[surlyseagull]

You think there are no large communities of Eastern Europens in Sussex? Have you been to Bognor / Littlehampton / Hastings, etc recently? Sussex doesn't start and end in the midle class centre of Brighton and Hove.

Just read this and can certainly agree ,I live the other side of Bognor and the town is crammed with eastern europeans ,and a very large company that is based in Pagham has an agency in Poland that employs them,and they use the old chessnut about British people not wanting to do the jobs ,but try and find an advert in the local papers or job centre etc that advertises their situations vacant,this is just one of many companies in this area which does this which inevitably creates friction .The town is very intimidating especially at night if you are English and most parents warn their kids to stear clear of Bognor at night because of it .No communities of Eastern Europeans ...you need to visit my freind .

 

[The Truth]

Well you could have f#-king fooled me, Lord knowitall, considering there are millions here I suggest you are spectacularly wrong. Even if they cannot housing benefit will pay their rent for them.

Haven't they scraped the Housing benefit scheme?

Isn't it now done on universal credit?

 

[Soulman]

Just read this and can certainly agree ,I live the other side of Bognor and the town is crammed with eastern europeans ,and a very large company that is based in Pagham has an agency in Poland that employs them,and they use the old chessnut about British people not wanting to do the jobs ,but try and find an advert in the local papers or job centre etc that advertises their situations vacant,this is just one of many companies in this area which does this which inevitably creates friction .The town is very intimidating especially at night if you are English and most parents warn their kids to stear clear of Bognor at night because of it .No communities of Eastern Europeans ...you need to visit my freind .

There are many places in Sussex living in areas not affected. In there own bubble.

 

[brightonrock]

Well you could have f#-king fooled me, Lord knowitall, considering there are millions here I suggest you are spectacularly wrong. Even if they cannot housing benefit will pay their rent for them.

Like I said, you're exhausting. "Most of London" then. You know full well what I meant, but much like the left that you despise, you choose to nitpick and twist my words because you have no answer to the actual point. You'd rather derail and deflect so as to argue against a point you've invented me making. This is my last post in this thread, I don't know why I bothered rising to your bait tbh. But good luck to you, you're not bright but you're certainly consistent.

 

[The Grockle]

I have always liked new Addington, which may sound crazy. But even though it has problems I a!ways saw it as a nice area with open spaces, almost a bit suburban. Then again when you have spent time running the gauntlet of the north Peckham estate/Old Kent road areas most things are an upgrade I suppose. Do you live back in Sussex now?

To be fair it's surrounded by countryside and has a lot of green spaces compared to some similar areas, a friend lives on fieldway and loves the place so it cant be all that bad I guess.

Are you from that area out of interest? Was wondering if the redevelopment of the heygate estate would start to spread south, I get the bus when I meet a mate in Peckham Rye through the area and it's one of those parts of London that pretty much looks the same as it did 10 years ago, dosnt seem to have benefited from outside investment or property boom (yet)

Believe it or not ive got no connections to Sussex and have never lived there, just always supported the Albion.

 

[EDS]

Haven't they scraped the Housing benefit scheme?

Isn't it now done on universal credit?

I'm not sure to be honest, I read it was housing benefit

 

[EDS]

Like I said, you're exhausting. "Most of London" then. You know full well what I meant, but much like the left that you despise, you choose to nitpick and twist my words because you have no answer to the actual point. You'd rather derail and deflect so as to argue against a point you've invented me making. This is my last post in this thread, I don't know why I bothered rising to your bait tbh. But good luck to you, you're not bright but you're certainly consistent.

A lot brighter than you obviously. I never twisted your words, I quoted you exactly. The fact remains that if migrants could not afford to live in London there would not be millions here. Wow, I am actually sad that someone can be so silly as to make that comment but then try and make out as though they had not actually said it.

 

[EDS]

To be fair it's surrounded by countryside and has a lot of green spaces compared to some similar areas, a friend lives on fieldway and loves the place so it cant be all that bad I guess.

Are you from that area out of interest? Was wondering if the redevelopment of the heygate estate would start to spread south, I get the bus when I meet a mate in Peckham Rye through the area and it's one of those parts of London that pretty much looks the same as it did 10 years ago, dosnt seem to have benefited from outside investment or property boom (yet)

Believe it or not ive got no connections to Sussex and have never lived there, just always supported the Albion.

Nope, I was born in Lewisham hospital and I have lived in that borough for about 80% of my life. I spent lots of time in Peckham/old kent road though as some of my friends lived there and I started on pirate radio on that area. I used to go to clubs in the old kent road, camberwell and elephant and castle.
I always have associated nice areas with open spaces etc I was once threatened by a gang in Biggin Hill once of all places, I couldn't stop laughing because I could not believe it to be honest.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Like I said, you're exhausting. "Most of London" then. You know full well what I meant, but much like the left that you despise, you choose to nitpick and twist my words because you have no answer to the actual point. You'd rather derail and deflect so as to argue against a point you've invented me making. This is my last post in this thread, I don't know why I bothered rising to your bait tbh. But good luck to you, you're not bright but you're certainly consistent.

Easy to get sucked in isn't it? I defy you to be quoted multiple times by multiple people and not respond. I wish I'd had your sense and bailed at about page 3. I'm not looney left in any way but my mum's second husband is a black Londoner and all my step family are mixed race. If you're passionate on a subject it can go beyond you.

 

[W.C.]

They will probably vote ukip and then you can sneer at them a bit more , w**ker

You're nice.

 

[W.C.]

Well you could have f#-king fooled me, Lord knowitall,

you're nice too.

 

[EDS]

Easy to get sucked in isn't it? I defy you to be quoted multiple times by multiple people and not respond. I wish I'd had your sense and bailed at about page 3. I'm not looney left in any way but my mum's second husband is a black Londoner and all my step family are mixed race. If you're passionate on a subject it can go beyond you.

Hilarious, engage people in debate. Get caught up on facts and figures and then whinge that you were sucked in. Stick to pensions.

 

[User removed 4]

You're nice.

Really ? I think you're a w*nker.

 

[Soulman]

Easy to get sucked in isn't it?.

I suppose so but how can you be sucked into a thread that you started?

 

[cunning fergus]

Can't we just have one thread called "borderline racist/ looney left" binfest and have done with it? It's soooooooo dull, I can't actually be bothered to put up a fight any more.

One point sticks out to me from this thread made a couple of times. Poverty and lack of opportunity is the enemy, multiculturalism appears a convenient scapegoat.

The two can be related though, or at least to the extent that poverty and lack of opportunity point is driven by the current lack of control in the UK's labour markets.

Evidently "multicultralism" as a means of society co-habiting is not a problem per se, however the consequences of failing to manage immigration for the poorest members of society is. It is not lawyers, journalists, CEOs of Charities and politicians who are having to compete with ever more people from the four corners of the world for the same resources, services and jobs.

Miliband has not been banging on about the cost of living crisis for a while now, however the reality is labour in this country is plentiful and therefore cheap, and wages will reflect that...............given Labour's apology for mishandling immigration I suspect most right minded people can see straight through Miliband's BS.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...K-CHEAPER-hire-Spain-Italy-says-Eurostat.html

 

[W.C.]

Really ? I think you're a w*nker.

Where do you stand on the Queen? Can she call herself a Londoner or does all that time spent up in Balmoral lessen her claim?

 

[spring hall convert]

The two can be related though, or at least to the extent that poverty and lack of opportunity point is driven by the current lack of control in the UK's labour markets.

Evidently "multicultralism" as a means of society co-habiting is not a problem per se, however the consequences of failing to manage immigration for the poorest members of society is. It is not lawyers, journalists, CEOs of Charities and politicians who are having to compete with ever more people from the four corners of the world for the same resources, services and jobs.

Miliband has not been banging on about the cost of living crisis for a while now, however the reality is labour in this country is plentiful and therefore cheap, and wages will reflect that...............given Labour's apology for mishandling immigration I suspect most right minded people can see straight through Miliband's BS.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...K-CHEAPER-hire-Spain-Italy-says-Eurostat.html

Whatever happened to the Trade Unions? This used to be their domain. It's time for the workers of the world to unite again.

Anyway we should stop getting in the way of all this mudslinging. We're making the place look untidy.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Where do you stand on the Queen? Can she call herself a Londoner or does all that time spent up in Balmoral lessen her claim?

She's a fourth generation bloody immigrant. Send her home.

 

[seagull_in_malaysia]

... However, when I go for a beer I don't have to sign a special disclaimer form and get it from a special fridge like I had to in restaurants in Malaysia...

Where on earth did you have to do this?

 

[cunning fergus]

Whatever happened to the Trade Unions? This used to be their domain. It's time for the workers of the world to unite again.

Anyway we should stop getting in the way of all this mudslinging. We're making the place look untidy.

They have changed beyond recognition in the last 30 years. Ironically when Unions were tied to nationalised industries back in the 70s they were (as was the Labour Party) very anti EU (common market). Kinnock stood twice to be PM and both times he was going to exit the EEC.

As these industries were subsequently privatised by Thatcher during the 80s so the unions lost power, and the public sector was where they retreated too.

In the late 80s and 90s the EU represented a more socialist inclined counter weight to the Tory government so the UK's unions and Labour Party did a 180 degree about turn to support the aspirations of the EU if social justice legislation was given prominence, not least for the British working class.

Some of this happened, (Working Time Directive) however other aims of the EU have run across the initial aim of supporting the British working class and allowing free movement of people (or should I say Labour) within the EU is a case in point.

It's beyond doubt that this freedom is impacting on the poorest, and greater competition for work is only driving wages down, and that is not to ignore the impact that the new arrivals have on social housing etc.

There is nothing racist or bigoted in making this point...........