[Food] Eating less meat & dairy.

[midnight_rendezvous]

I just wondered as seeing this type of stuff is going on all the time nowadays, is it just a fad or Is there any genuine evidence that you will live longer and never need viagra?

There’s a plethora of evidence showing the links between the consumption of meat and dairy and some of the West’s most prevalent killers; heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, types of degenerative brain diseases. And, as others have said, meat and dairy has a huge negative impact on the environment and is the leading cause of deforestation, habitat loss, species extinction, water pollution and ocean dead zones.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

This is two headed coin, I used to fly gliders in my earlier years and a fellow pilot was a senior doctor at the JR hospital in Oxford. There is an enzyme in red meat that is necessary for us to " operate correctly ". It cannot be replicated artificially. I'm now 75 with oestroarthritis and have been recommended to eat calcium rich foods, cheese,dairy products. So I'm in the eat meat camp..

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With all due respect, that is utter nonsense. Veganism and vegetarianism has existed since time immemorial and people seem to have existed just fine living off plants.

There is also growing evidence that plant based calcium offers better absorption than its dairy counterparts.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

There is plenty of evidence that red meat causes cancer - among other nasty diseases - but it's more about saving the planet rather themselves for many people. I kind of agree with them although I've only cut my meat consumption back rather than out completely.

I just can't get my head around how so many people live into their 80's 90's and 100's and they have regular roasts and bread and dripping? Is it the broccoli balancing it all out or does it boil down predominantly genetic?

It is healthier and there is also the environmental impact

I still think the greens and the angry Scandinavian have not got the environmental impact across to the general public.
How many runner beans are grown here for example? I need a lot more convincing on the long term health benefits. Poor Linda Mc Cartney for example.

The farts that most vegans produce would suggest to me they've never once needed viagra. Nor indeed contraception, a late night shower or a debate over who sleeps in the wet patch.

Is there a connection between excess wind and a rod of steel then!?
Blimey, so does this mean I could drink a mug of lentil soup and bin the Durex?

A man walks into a shop, looks shy and apprehensive, suddenly he swipes a packet of lentil soup up and hides it under his copy of the guardian. At the til the lady takes the lentil soup out and looks for a price and then shout,s out 'How much is the packet of 12 lentil cuppa soups Sharon'.
The man thinks shite that was a close one, I thought she was going to mention to the whole shop that I had bought The Guardian!

 

[Deleted member 2719]

There’s a plethora of evidence showing the links between the consumption of meat and dairy and some of the West’s most prevalent killers; heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, types of degenerative brain diseases. And, as others have said, meat and dairy has a huge negative impact on the environment and is the leading cause of deforestation, habitat loss, species extinction, water pollution and ocean dead zones.

Have you got any straight forward graphs, similar to Giraffes tracker? As we know that is proper scientific data.
Yes, I am serious. I am still looking for cold hard facts.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Have you got any straight forward graphs, similar to Giraffes tracker? As we know that is proper scientific data.
Yes, I am serious. I am still looking for cold hard facts.

Then I advise watching “Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death’ (YouTube) and ‘What the Health’ (Netflix).

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Then I advise watching “Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death’ (YouTube) and ‘What the Health’ (Netflix).

Okay, thanks, I will check out YouTube, I don't do Netflix.

 

[dennis]

I was challenged to not eat meat for a month, it’s been over eighteen months now, I genuinely feel better in myself but I used to feel bloated a lot and always had an uncomfortable stomach

Clearly it’s not all meat but the difference I feel inside has persuaded me to not go back

I drink soya milk and have it in my tea and although it’s not the same it’s amazing how quickly you become used to it and now I dislike cows milk in tea etc

As for vegetarian substitutes as good as they are they’re never going to taste the same because they’re not the same so I’ve found it best to avoid that kind of thing

I did try going vegan but a few of us went to Amsterdam and I was the only one not eating meat so it was easier just to be vegetarian because all the restaurants catered for veggies but not necessarily vegans

But Indian restaurants do so fantastic veggie curry’s so it’s definitely worth a go if you fancy

But my main piece of advice would be don’t overthink it just make small changes to begin with

Good luck

 

[Weststander]

Have you got any straight forward graphs, similar to Giraffes tracker? As we know that is proper scientific data.
Yes, I am serious. I am still looking for cold hard facts.

Harvard article, based on vast studies, showing the clear link between red meat consumption and cancers.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/red-meat-and-colon-cancer

I think the bottom line is that in moderation is fine.

Homo sapiens haven’t evolved to healthily eat copious amounts of cooked and chargrilled red meats.

I know someone (not a smoker) who’s always told me that smoking’s alright, because my aunt was happily smoking in her 80’s. That was no comfort to two of my cousins in their early 50’s who we’ve lost to the big C, both lifelong chain smokers.

My point being that following the latest scientific advice on diet, sleep, activity, greatly enhances our odds of long term physical and mental health. Of course there’ll always be people who lived to a grand age on lard and alcohol based hedonism. The exception that doesn’t override large studies.

 

[BNthree]

One of my kids never really enjoyed eating meat as a nipper and as they got older became a vegetarian. Not for ethical reasons at all they just didn't enjoy it. Now we generally cook vegetarian meals for family meals and I've found I don't really miss meat that much. Generally we try to avoid using meat substitutes as they are usually just a little disappointing for us and prefer to cook dishes that don't pretend to have meat in.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Harvard article, based on vast studies, showing the clear link between red meat consumption and cancers.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/red-meat-and-colon-cancer

I think the bottom line is that in moderation is fine.

Homo sapiens haven’t evolved to healthily eat copious amounts of cooked and chargrilled red meats.

I know someone (not a smoker) who’s always told me that smoking’s alright, because my aunt was happily smoking in her 80’s. That was no comfort to two of my cousins in their early 50’s who we’ve lost to the big C, both lifelong chain smokers.

My point being that following the latest scientific advice on diet, sleep, activity, greatly enhances our odds of long term physical and mental health. Of course there’ll always be people who lived to a grand age on lard and alcohol based hedonism. The exception that doesn’t override large studies.

Thanks for the Harvard study, I will read it later.

I do believe meat and two veg has served a population well. Add in a few nuts, trim off some excess fat, keep active, slurp back a couple of red wines a week, drink tonnes of H2O and have some fortune with the family genes.
From the smoking point of view, it has always been a big no-no to me as the body was designed to take in Oxygen, why take in any unnecessary gases in? That said, I have done enough passive inhalation in low ceiling pubs in my time.
I get the issues with processed foods, giving up cheese would be the hardest for me.
I am always open to change but, would have to be at least 85% sure changing my diet was going to benefit me, I would prefer to keep moving!

 

[m@goo]

This is two headed coin, I used to fly gliders in my earlier years and a fellow pilot was a senior doctor at the JR hospital in Oxford. There is an enzyme in red meat that is necessary for us to " operate correctly ". It cannot be replicated artificially. I'm now 75 with oestroarthritis and have been recommended to eat calcium rich foods, cheese,dairy products. So I'm in the eat meat camp..

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I'm guessing that doctor's advice was many years ago? Food knowledge has probably progressed a lot since then. Also I don't think I've ever heard that advice from the hundreds of doctors and nutritionists that recommend cutting down on meat. Regarding calcium, I think practically all green veg and pulses have lots of calcium so eating dairy isn't an excuse for needing calcium.

But my main piece of advice would be don’t overthink it just make small changes to begin with

Good luck

Indeed. Cheers

 

[Weststander]

Thanks for the Harvard study, I will read it later.

I do believe meat and two veg has served a population well. Add in a few nuts, trim off some excess fat, keep active, slurp back a couple of red wines a week, drink tonnes of H2O and have some fortune with the family genes.
From the smoking point of view, it has always been a big no-no to me as the body was designed to take in Oxygen, why take in any unnecessary gases in? That said, I have done enough passive inhalation in low ceiling pubs in my time.
I get the issues with processed foods, giving up cheese would be the hardest for me.
I am always open to change but, would have to be at least 85% sure changing my diet was going to benefit me, I would prefer to keep moving!

I’m still a meat eater, but far less than I once was.

By no means a vegetarian, chicken and fish eaten regularly, I won’t turn down toad in the hole!

Aside from this niche discussion, excess sugar and mountains of processed carbs now represent the biggest threat. Record obesity levels, 5 million UK diabetics. Food giants knowingly researched what processed foods hook us and have it down to a fine art.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I’m still a meat eater, but far less than I once was.

By no means a vegetarian, chicken and fish eaten regularly, I won’t turn down toad in the hole!

Aside from this niche discussion, excess sugar and mountains of processed carbs now represent the biggest threat. Record obesity levels, 5 million UK diabetics. Food giants knowingly researched what processed foods hook us and have it down to a fine art.

Yep, totally agree about the sugar and processed carbs. The sugar is a real killer just because of the addiction it has attached to it.

 

[Live by the sea]

There is quite a bit of evidence that eating less meat and diary along with cutting out processed food is beneficial to your health - however if you are serious I wouldn’t start eating in places like Burger King or other fast food American chains - it might be plant based but you can guarantee to keep the prices low they will skimp on anything they can get away with .

Planet Organic I think it’s called has lots of good choices in church road - Hove , opposite Jo and Co ( lovely restaurant)

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Personally, I don't try to find substitutes to meat, I just eat dishes that dont have meat in them normally. Plenty of vegan dishes in traditional Greek cooking for example. East Asian food is delicious without the meat.

Definitely this.

Meat substitutes look, feel and taste like crap.

Find a good veggie cookbook. Most celeb chefs have one.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Veggie curries are excellent and much cheaper than with meat. Just order several side dishes, and no main course.

 

[clapham_gull]

Definitely this.

Meat substitutes look, feel and taste like crap.

Some do, some don't but they are getting better. I'll make the prediction that in a few years with processed meat (or minced) products they will be almost indistinguishable.

People will never eat less meat until there is something that replicates the flavour and texture. The best analogy I think is vaping. It's taken off because of similarities to smoking.

 

[larus]

Yep, totally agree about the sugar and processed carbs. The sugar is a real killer just because of the addiction it has attached to it.

Mouldy.

To counter the consensus on here, I now do intermittent fasting (try to eat in a 6 hour window per day and fast for 18 hours), and I’ve become whats classed as ‘fat adapted’.

What this means is that my body is adopted to use fat as a fuel source more than carbs. When you hear the word carbs, replace it with sugars, as that is what carbs are.

The reason fat had such a bad press was not because we can’t eat fat (we can and it’s good for you). However, it’s the type of fats. So, things like ‘vegetable oil’ are bad for you (hint, they don’t come from vegetables are are over processed). These are the bad fats - just use olive oil/butter.

If you want some informative stuff, look up Dr Eric Berg, Dr Sten Ekberg on youtube. It’s an eye-opener.

Humans are not designed to be constantly eating all the time. We function so much better with limited food intake and the body adapts. There’s a process the body goes into called autophagy which is in effect, the recycling of dead cells around the body. The body is constantly regenerating, but autophagy improves that process.

With intermittent fasting the body also gets into ketosis, and this is a better fuel for the brain.

Lastly, animal fats are good for you IMO. And those of you wanting to drink soya - good luck with the for your health (not).

 

[GT49er]

On a similar note I've heard good things about the This range, particularly the bacon: https://this.co/products/rashers/

Interested in the bacon you link to. I'm not veggie, but most of my friends and family are, so accustomed to eating and preparing veggie meals. I don't eat much meat, but I'm completely off pork (following an absolutely horrid dream - details not available) - but I do miss bacon!
The meatless 'bacon' rashers in the supermarkets are, frankly, ghastly - the ones you link to look interesting (if out of stock and so unavailable to buy) - but bloody hell - are they expensive! I've never paid £7.50 for my packet of smoked rashers in my life (and only available if you by in bulk, 4 packets a time!) Anybody tried them?

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Definitely this.

Meat substitutes look, feel and taste like crap.

Find a good veggie cookbook. Most celeb chefs have one.

Well, I did think this but the Quorn roast joint is a winner in our house, enjoyed with a full range of roast dinner condiments. Honestly, nice bit of gravy, I’m sold on it. And at about £2.50 so is my wallet!!