[Football] Dyche & Lampard On Financing The Lower Teams

[BN41Albion]

Dyche was a lower league clogger in his playing days so particularly thoughtless comments from him.

You'd never have thought based on the brand of football he advocates.

Couldn't stand the arrogant **** before, but now, christ what a c0ck.

 

[Insel affe]

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I hope Burnley get feckin relegated along with Leeds, what is it about broken industrial northern towns, they seem to just live in the past and are not forward and inclusive thinking at all, it just seems beyond them...
Friggin Neanderthals

 

[amexer]

May moan about PL wages but clubs all have huge incomes. Problem is lower leagues where many players earn £100/200k pa which is joke at this level. However in these unusual times think PL clubs should be able to make substantial donation to these clubs

 

[Mike Small]

Don’t sign for THEM Dale!

 

[Baldseagull]

I believe his son is at Northampton, in the academy. I do hope they can afford to keep an academy going.

 

[Berty23]

I think that is dyche saying that he doesn’t think that Burnley should benefit anymore from the TV money. Does he think every club should get to sell rights for their games? How would Burnley do compared to average in the league? They would lose. He seems happy to share the wealth when Man U Liverpool etc are supporting them but less happy for others. What a moron he is.

 

[portlock seagull]

Dyche is just the football equivilant of a dinosaur who was fortunate enough to be taking a dump in a cave when the meteor hit.

A few seconds either way and he'd be managing Kettering Town part-time in the Unibond Southern Counties Combination (Div III) and selling replacement windows. Cock.

 

[Paris]

Burnley to be one of the three clubs to go down this season off the back of this would be priceless.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Think Burnley are one of the hardest hit clubs in the PL

Are his comments based on this?

seems weird he would say that given his back ground

 

[Springal]

Why are we lamenting the comments of a well run club? Don't they make a small / modest profit and usually perform well in the PL?

You can bet with our huge losses even pre-COVID that Bloom, Barber all the same thoughts

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Football cant be compared to other businesses that are in competition with each other. Football is a single business not like McD and Burgerking who are competitors. In many cases the Premier League rely on the lower leagues to provide them with the product/stock to run their clubs

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a bit, just to explore some ideas. First, yes my gut says 'help the smaller clubs' but my brain is saying 'how, exactly?'

First, football is 'businesses in competition', in many respects. Looking at the EPL, it is in competition with the German and Spanish leagues. How? If we start doing badly in the European competitions we will eventually end up like Scotland or Belgium with one place only in the Champions' league, entered via preliminary rounds in August. That will never happen, of course. Why? Because our top ten clubs are so rich, able to spend stupid amounts on players.

But imagine that it did happen. With the EPL on a par with the the Eredvidion (so obscure I can't spell it), the TV money for national league games will fall.

Anyway, there is competition with Europe.

And then your idea that English football is a single business with clubs like ManU dependent on lower league clubs. That's a bit of a stretch. When did they last sign a player from a lower league club? The reality is you could shut all football apart from the EPL, end relegation, and there would still be enough mugs and glory hunters to fill the stadia (when they reopen in 2024) and pay for Sky sports.

I would like to be able to 'see off' Dyche and his selfish pratitudes, and agree with [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION], but any plan for rich clubs to help the poor would need to preclude what others have stated - bunging money to dodgy chairmen so that can overpay overpriced players and (probably) pocket some cash for themselves won't happen.

Football is competition. We like to think about our community and all that, but that is actually part of the marketing. Brighton and Hove Albion and proud. My club makes me feel good - about myself as well as the club. For ManU supporters, the business and the fan demographic are different. Very few, I suspect, among their army of glory hunting hoards across the world give a tiny toss about Oldham, Southport, Wigan and Bury.

The problem is, even if it could be done effectively, rich clubs cannot be made to bail out smaller clubs so, for it to happen, they need better persuasion than the arguments I have seen on this thread. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a persuasive argument, and would be happy to back it. I simply haven't seen it yet. I would imagine Bumley supporters, even the decent ones (and there are decent ones) probably listened to Douche and nodded in agreement.

So I favour the sentiment and await suggestions of a plan for action, with all the caveats outlined above. I wonder what our resident football finance expert thinks about all this? Calling [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION]

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To add to my rant above, just had a chat with Mrs T and we remain stuck.

How can the bigger clubs be persuaded to help the smaller clubs, given that they can't be forced, or even shamed?
If the bigger clubs could be persuaded, how could subsequent financial mismangement of the gifts by the smaller clubs be prevented?

I feel that if big clubs handed 5% of their profit (say) to a pot to be distributed to lower league clubs, the lower clubs would not change their behaviours one iota, and would squander the money on risky punts on promotion then crash and burn (a la Notts County, for example).

My gut is telling me that a communist redistribution of wealth would only work in a communist structure of football. It would need to come with a communist system of financial arrangements: wage caps, transfer regulation, 'non profit' directors/owners. In short a communist revolution.

I await thought-through suggestsions; I'm still musing.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Create an optional 2% charity payment for everyone involved in the Premier League, from Ref's, players, managers, chairmen and clubs as a whole based on annual income.

All payees can claim a tax relief on that 2% and all of the proceeds get distributed among the rest of the leagues, clubs and players.

Best suggestion I've seen so far

But how would the money be distributed? Clubs would need to provide full access to their books. It would work for properly run clubs, but of course the Bury of 12 months ago wouldn't be able to meet this requirement.

Yes....I like that a lot. A voluntary element and means testing.

Now, how to organise it?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Think Burnley are one of the hardest hit clubs in the PL

Are his comments based on this?

seems weird he would say that given his back ground

I rather admire Dyche on this occasion, even though I profoundly disagree with him. He is demonstrating the mental adaptability of a true survivor. Yes, when poor he'd have gladly accepted a hand out. Now, when relatively wealthy, but not stupidly so, he has reached into the argument box and pulled out a narrative to suit his club's (and his own) perceived best interest. I personally prefer to seek a solution such as the one offered by [MENTION=17571]StonehamPark[/MENTION] above, but I find it hard to get too exercised about Dyche's comments. If a voluntary system emereged I would fully expect Dyche to pay up because he would see it as in his and the club's best interest to do so.

 

[Gwylan]

And then your idea that English football is a single business with clubs like ManU dependent on lower league clubs. That's a bit of a stretch. When did they last sign a player from a lower league club?

Last season - Daniel James

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Last season - Daniel James

An exception that fails to disprove the rule

 

[The Wizard]

You’d be surprised how many PL players were plucked from low league or sometimes even non league youth systems, we’ve even done this. So, what happens when these clubs inevitably at some point in the near future can’t afford to run academies or perhaps clubs go under? The opportunities for young promising players will diminish also.

It’s not an easy one though, most PL clubs are making a significant loss at the moment, it does always leave a horrible taste in the mouth when you see a historic lower league club go under for less than a weeks wages for most top tier players.

 

[beorhthelm]

To add to my rant above, just had a chat with Mrs T and we remain stuck.

How can the bigger clubs be persuaded to help the smaller clubs, given that they can't be forced, or even shamed?
If the bigger clubs could be persuaded, how could subsequent financial mismangement of the gifts by the smaller clubs be prevented?

I feel that if big clubs handed 5% of their profit (say) to a pot to be distributed to lower league clubs, the lower clubs would not change their behaviours one iota, and would squander the money on risky punts on promotion then crash and burn (a la Notts County, for example).

My gut is telling me that a communist redistribution of wealth would only work in a communist structure of football. It would need to come with a communist system of financial arrangements: wage caps, transfer regulation, 'non profit' directors/owners. In short a communist revolution.

I await thought-through suggestsions; I'm still musing.

wouldnt want to rely on profit...

there would need to be a lead from Premier League to get the clubs, FA, and crucially PFA, to agree some sort of rescue model for clubs facing closure, so that the club can remain solvent for the duration. wont be pumping millions in to carry on as normal, not viable, could be small amounts. probably need HMRC on board too. main point is EPL could give the leadership and some float of cash to showing willing, for the other parties to agree to something.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

An exception that fails to disprove the rule

Aaron Wan-Bissaka

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

You’d be surprised how many PL players were plucked from low league or sometimes even non league youth systems, we’ve even done this. So, what happens when these clubs inevitably at some point in the near future can’t afford to run academies or perhaps clubs go under? The opportunities for young promising players will diminish also.

It’s not an easy one though, most PL clubs are making a significant loss at the moment, it does always leave a horrible taste in the mouth when you see a historic lower league club go under for less than a weeks wages for most top tier players.

Yes very much so. Vardy being a good example.