Dunk - Refusing to play?

[symyjym]

Prefer this one tbh

https://youtu.be/-0kcet4aPpQ

 

[symyjym]

Like you, I had no reason to doubt the source.

You do open yourself up on here by posting any nuggets you hear though. Don't think I'll bother in future !

If you are confident that something is true, you shouldn't worry about it especially when you are bang on the money.

 

[Icy Gull]

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[Sheebo]

Well hope it is. As far as I understand it if a player is sold without having put in a transfer request, the selling club has to pay up his contract. As he has 3 years on his contract with us, that could cost us up to £1m.

If he hands in a transfer request we don't have to pay him a bean!

Pretty sure that's not the case...?!

 

[Phat Baz 68]

As far as Im concerned now Dunk has refused to play for us against Southend has been fined so he can **** off
to another club
I have no time whatsoever with players like that whoever they are.
No loyalty, sheer greed.
Thanks for your time Lewis now on ya bike.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Well hope it is. As far as I understand it if a player is sold without having put in a transfer request, the selling club has to pay up his contract. As he has 3 years on his contract with us, that could cost us up to £1m.

If he hands in a transfer request we don't have to pay him a bean!

Not completely true. This only applies for the 'loyalty bonus', not the actual contract.

 

[Mileoakman]

Not true at all. This only applies for the 'loyalty bonus'.

Ok, I stand corrected. Sorry to mislead.

Mind you if he did hand in transfer request at least we would have some clarity about his intentions.

 

[The Wizard]

As far as Im concerned now Dunk has refused to play for us against Southend has been fined so he can **** off
to another club
I have no time whatsoever with players like that whoever they are.
No loyalty, sheer greed.
Thanks for your time Lewis now on ya bike.

This. I've lost all respect for him now and Hope he goes now absolutely disgusting and extremely happy the club docked him 2 weeks wages. All over a move to Fulham, unreal the money grabbing that goes on today in football.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Yes, I'm with you it's a good deal two weeks wages for not being cup tied, I am sure he's content with that. I just struggle with Fulham but Premiership side can't blame him, might not get the chance again.

I've been wondering what motivation Dunk had for not wanting to be cup tied. It could have been something from his agent, about not reducing his value to interested teams, but if, as reported so far, the only serious interest has been from Fulham, being cup tied when going to Fulham wouldn't seem that big a deal. He would still play league games and wouldn't be likely to miss out on a cup final or a medal. However, if there is interest from a Premier League side, where he wouldn't be an automatic first choice, playing cup games may give him the opportunity to push for a first team place, it would be more of an issue for the player. Perhaps he just wanted to keep his options open, but refusing to play just in case seems like an extreme move.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's (nearly) always the same. Ask yourselves why that might be the case. Is it because footballers are not normal humans, they're a special greedy kind of creature, or is it perhaps because they're normal, and we'd all do the same.

I'm pretty confident it's the latter.

If a player wasn't playing well, or didn't fit into a new managers system, they'd be dropped like a stone. So why does a player have to by loyal to their club? And when they player is being offered double their salary (and they've got a family to support and could have a career ending injury any time), why on earth would they turn it down?



EDIT - I should add, I'd be disappointed to learn that a player had refused to play, but I'm not going to assume that's the case based on rumours.

 

[Easy 10]

It's (nearly) always the same. Ask yourselves why that might be the case. Is it because footballers are not normal humans, they're a special greedy kind of creature, or is it perhaps because they're normal, and we'd all do the same.

I'm pretty confident it's the latter.

If a player wasn't playing well, or didn't fit into a new managers system, they'd be dropped like a stone. So why does a player have to by loyal to their club? And when they player is being offered double their salary (and they've got a family to support and could have a career ending injury any time), why on earth would they turn it down?

I don't think anyone is begrudging him a move if he can earn potloads of cash elsewhere. As you say, we'd all do the same.

But there are ways of going about it. And withdrawing your labour is a pretty shoddy way of treating an employer that stood by him, and continued to pay him, during a protracted period of turmoil in his personal life. He had no justification of going on strike, and frankly I'm surprised he's even been on the bench because I'd have binned him off to the ressies.

 

[sir albion]

It's (nearly) always the same. Ask yourselves why that might be the case. Is it because footballers are not normal humans, they're a special greedy kind of creature, or is it perhaps because they're normal, and we'd all do the same.

I'm pretty confident it's the latter.

If a player wasn't playing well, or didn't fit into a new managers system, they'd be dropped like a stone. So why does a player have to by loyal to their club? And when they player is being offered double their salary (and they've got a family to support and could have a career ending injury any time), why on earth would they turn it down?

Millions of people have a family to feed and they earn £6.60 hr....silly comparison

 

[The Wizard]

I think the worst thing is I really thought better of Dunk than this, it's a slap in the face for a player we've produced and got to where he is today to refuse to play, I don't care who the move is to whether it's Barcelona or Basingstoke, it's completely unforgivable.

 

[BigGully]

It's (nearly) always the same. Ask yourselves why that might be the case. Is it because footballers are not normal humans, they're a special greedy kind of creature, or is it perhaps because they're normal, and we'd all do the same.

I'm pretty confident it's the latter.

If a player wasn't playing well, or didn't fit into a new managers system, they'd be dropped like a stone. So why does a player have to by loyal to their club? And when they player is being offered double their salary (and they've got a family to support and could have a career ending injury any time), why on earth would they turn it down?

This. The boardrooms of every football club are choc a bloc of wealthy, powerful men (generally) with trusted legal associates they do not do anything without feeling they have the advantage.

Footballers have become more savvy, they know that the manager is likely to be sacked at anytime and the club will engineer to move a player on if they fall out of favour, the players are pawns in this pantomime, Dunk penned his 4 year deal, it gave him some security and ensured the club could cash in if he left, neither party were naive.

The spin will start drip feeding out from the club, Dunk will be advised to just stay quiet, any future prospective wealthy chairmen prefer that, they like their players to tow the line.

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't think anyone is begrudging him a move if he can earn potloads of cash elsewhere. As you say, we'd all do the same.

sir albion is.

But there are ways of going about it. And withdrawing your labour is a pretty shoddy way of treating an employer

Yes, but I don't know that's happened.

that stood by him, and continued to pay him, during a protracted period of turmoil in his personal life.

The club didn't do him any favours, the club did what was right for the club.

He had no justification of going on strike, and frankly I'm surprised he's even been on the bench because I'd have binned him off to the ressies.

1) I don't know he did go on strike. 2) Putting him in the reserves and losing out on a massive sale figure would hurt the club.

Millions of people have a family to feed and they earn £6.60 hr....silly comparison

It's not a silly comparison at all. I didn't say he'd starve if he didn't go, I'm pointing out the he has a family, and it can be difficult to justify to them why you want to turn down so much money.

 

[sir albion]

sir albion is.

Yes, but I don't know that's happened.
The club didn't do him any favours, the club did what was right for the club.
1) I don't know he did go on strike. 2) Putting him in the reserves and losing out on a massive sale figure would hurt the club.

It's not a silly comparison at all. I didn't say he'd starve if he didn't go, I'm pointing out the he has a family, and it can be difficult to justify to them why you want to turn down so much money.

We all would move for more money and I was just stating that the family feeding frenzie doesn't really come into it when you already earn about 8k a week.
The club need to get this done and dusted asap as we don't want bad eggs around the club

 

[Hampster Gull]

If a player wasn't playing well, or didn't fit into a new managers system, they'd be dropped like a stone. So why does a player have to by loyal to their club?.

I get the sentiment but there is a nuance here. The player has signed a contract, of their free will, to committ his labour to the club for a certain time period for a certain wage. That is unlikely to include a must play clause. So if they are dropped that is within their contract. Refusing to play (assuming the Argus is factually correct) will in all likelihood be against their contract, hence the fine. We cant force someone to play but we can fine them. At some point he will leave as this is a commercial trade

 

[samtheseagull]

I don't blame Dunk for wanting more money but i hope we sell him now. There is ways of getting a move but refusing to play for the club that has made him into the payer he is today is a joke.

 

[Blue3]

Oh Dunky why would you do such a stupid thing, it sends out such a poor message to the fans and other players and puts the club in a difficult position I think if I were TB I would be inclined to stick him back in the reserves keep him away from the rest of the first team and sell him during the next transfer window his value is likley to remain the same and sends a clear message to the rest of the players which is there is a right and wrong way to do business

 

[drew]

We all would move for more money and I was just stating that the family feeding frenzie doesn't really come into it when you already earn about 8k a week.
The club need to get this done and dusted asap as we don't want bad eggs around the club

The only people making a stink about this are a few herberts on here. The club are probably fully aware of what they are doing. They will either negotiate a better deal for Dunk, which by all accounts is pretty standard when a club are seeking to keep a player who's stock has gone up following a good season, or they will seek to secure the best deal for the club. To throw their toys out of the pram and accept a low offer is cutting of the proverbial nose.

As for being a bad egg, it's quite obvious that it is having a detrimental effect on the club because we are only second in the league!!! I doubt any of the other players are that bothered, they see players come and go all the time, that's the nature of football.