Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Well we can get into semantics I suppose. But if you've spent your life considering Martin McGuinness a personal hero of yours, then given what he was, is that not by definition being supportive of the IRA ?
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Well we can get into semantics I suppose. But if you've spent your life considering Martin McGuinness a personal hero of yours, then given what he was, is that not by definition being supportive of the IRA ?
martin tyler
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- Jan 25, 2013
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A thread for the dustbin.
He's entitled to share his views as is anyone else. Nothing that controversial in his statement. People can make what they want of it, but there is nothing wrong with what he has said.
Maybe silly to pop on twitter as everyone loves to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
He's entitled to share his views as is anyone else. Nothing that controversial in his statement. People can make what they want of it, but there is nothing wrong with what he has said.
Maybe silly to pop on twitter as everyone loves to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Why the IRA and not Sinn Fein, for instance?
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
But 'what he was (before)' wasn't in Shanes lifetime. Shane's lifetime has been dominated by McGuinness' political movement towards peace. Is that merely semantics? I could be very wrong, could be, but I don't get your deduction from his tweet.
It's not about respect (or lack of) for individuals' views. It's about expressing politically controversial views in your role as a visible employee of a particular organisation. Are these members of the Bloom family who expressed these views employees of the club, and if they are did they express the views in their role as employees, or in a clear personal capacity? (genuine question). Duffy's twitter account has a picture of him in Brighton strip and the only description of him on the profile is "Professional Footballer @OfficialBHAFC".
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
does this include her madge?
- Jan 3, 2012
- 17,353
Shane Duffy is in his early twenties. His life experience is of Martin McGuinness being a campaigner for peace and one of the principal brokers of a settled Northern Ireland for a number of years. I hardly think that makes him an IRA Sympathiser.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Well rightly or wrongly, I inferred from his tweet that McGuinness was a hero of his. I think he was a murdering piece of filth, and his involvement in Sinn Fein post that doesn't eradicate his past. Just a differing opinion, so who's to say who's right and who's wrong ?
My point was, its probably a subject best left alone by footballers who operate in a very high profile bubble in front of tens of thousands of fans, many of whom need little or no encouragement to seize on something and dish out vitriol and abuse. He's well within his rights to express his views of course, but IMO, I just don't think it was a great idea. He's a big boy though, I'm sure he can handle it.
Perkino
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- Dec 11, 2009
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being offended is part of life. Living peacefully with people who believe different things and behave in different ways to us is normal everyday life. We seem to have created a super culture of wet blankets who want the freedom to do whatever they want without the experience of ever being offended by somebody else.
I personally am offended when someone owns a pet. The fact they spend money on feeding and caring for an animal when across the world humans are living in awful conditions and being treated terribly by others and exploited by greed
I personally am offended when someone owns a pet. The fact they spend money on feeding and caring for an animal when across the world humans are living in awful conditions and being treated terribly by others and exploited by greed
If he's seen at first hand, given his place of birth, the misery and carnage caused by terrorism, then perhaps he considered McGuinness's conversion to the peace process to be a positive. It's not the same as supporting the IRA.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
You have said he's wrong by saying he 'declared himself an IRA sympathiser'. He's not done that so in case you could be wrong?
No, not necessarilyit isn't. Duffy was only 5 when the Good Friday Agreement was signed and whilst there is no doubt he would have subsequently been aware of the history, his experience would be more during the peace period and McGuinness's time in politics. I don't blame any of the families who lost relatives to the IRA in the troubles for not forgiving him, that is entirely understandable but for the rest of us you can't escape the fact that he did turn his back on that aspect and it seems to have been relatively effective for the last 20 years compared to what went on in the previous 20 years before the agreement.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
The son of Ian Paisley gave a warm and glowing tribute to McGuiness. Whilst i deplore his previous life as a terrorist, he changed course and campaigned and fought for a peaceful solution. At which point can a man not have a change of heart/stance? So i see nothing wrong with Duffy's tweet if he is referring to the peace process.
Exactly. People who form opinions from the coal face - whether it is Shane Duffy who grew up in Derry or ex-soldiers in NI who have seen mates shot - are worthy of respect. The rest of us, barely touched by the troubles, really ought to be careful about judging others for their views.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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difference is they represent only themselves, except Trump who has been widely criticised for carrying on his tweet-rage when in office. Duffy represents BHA, and his views will cast a shadow over his reputation among the fans and on the club from further afield. maybe they shouldn't, but thats just life.
Medwayseagull
JCB
Except he doesn't represent the club, I am not aware of any official spokesperson status he has gained. He is an individual employee of the club, nothing more, nothing less.
Cian
Well-known member
Going to be difficult to find anyone from The City On The Foyle - whichever way they want to spell it - without very polarised views on this. I'm pretty sure people don't want to go back to the 1980s where footballers opinions on anything were only expressed in one-page interviews in Shoot where they discussed which tacky chain pub they preferred their steak and chips from and which cheap sportscar they drove.
Day earlier, Duffy donated a grand towards the funeral expenses of Derry City's captain who died (probably) from an on-field injury. The other constant figure of media hate for having similar opinions, McClean, did the same and is known for funding operations for kids etc. You're not dealing with monsters here.
Day earlier, Duffy donated a grand towards the funeral expenses of Derry City's captain who died (probably) from an on-field injury. The other constant figure of media hate for having similar opinions, McClean, did the same and is known for funding operations for kids etc. You're not dealing with monsters here.
No he doesn't, any more than Piers Morgan represents ITV. He's an employee, not a spokesperson.
daveinprague
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Queen shook his hand. Prince Charles shook his hand. Worked with Ian Paisley, and became friends. User on NSC, wishes a Brighton player, who was born in Derry, a career ending cruciate injury for an RIP tweet.
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