Driving and using hand held phones

[peterward]

New AI camera vans to detect are coming to Sussex.

Sussex: AI motoring cameras are trialled to police phone and seatbelt use

The technology can automatically detect drivers who are using a phone or not wearing a seatbelt.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

(MOD EDIT please note video in Tweet shows the nano second before impact and could be upsetting)

When will people learn

She was all over the place and laughing about it before she went through the red light.

 

[Algernon]

Absolute ****.
Not banged up anywhere near long enough.

 

[A mex eyecan]

Absolute ****.
Not banged up anywhere near long enough.

what always baffles me is why they set sentences to run along side each other. Why not 9 years plus 6 years = 15 years locked up?

 

[Weststander]

(MOD EDIT please note video in Tweet shows the nano second before impact and could be upsetting)

When will people learn

She was all over the place and laughing about it before she went through the red light.

Well done the judge and our legislators, sentencing for this disgusting behaviour/effects used to be far more lenient.

 

[Weststander]

what always baffles me is why they set sentences to run along side each other. Why not 9 years plus 6 years = 15 years locked up?

To give killers hope during their prison term.

 

[Weststander]

Image taken just prior to impact and she was doing 78mph at impact.

 

[CheeseRolls]

The thing I don't understand is why driving bans are not more common and lengthier for the worst offences. The argument seems to be that it is too hard to enforce, which just seems madness. Get caught lose your vehicle, get fined and sent to prison, how hard can it be?

The sentencing guidelines were toughened up a few years back after a number of high profile cases of aggravated vehicle taking, they just seem to be a little lax around dangerous driving. It also shouldn't have to wait for the courts to take someones licence away.

Sentencing Guidelines

 

[The Clamp]

Are women worse for this?

I’d say the vast majority of people I see using phones while driving are female.

Blokes in vans also.

That video above. The speed she was flying along at while dicking about with her mobile phone. Ludicrous.

As for her being a “****”.

She probably isn’t. And that’s the scary thing. Perfectly nice, normal, people use their phones while driving. It’s so, so, common.

 

[A1X]

Should be absolute zero tolerance for anyone caught, regardless of whether they cause an accident or not.

Crush their car. Crush their phone. Ban them from owning either for 10 years.

 

[Weststander]

Mobile phone use whilst driving … why not an automatic three month ban? With absolutely no ifs and buts for live rurally or need a licence for work.

A great deterrent imho.

In the 70’s lots of folk initially dug their heels in about use of seatbelts.

 

[Notters]

Are women worse for this?

I’d say the vast majority of people I see using phones while driving are female.

Blokes in vans also.

That video above. The speed she was flying along at while dicking about with her mobile phone. Ludicrous.

As for her being a “****”.

She probably isn’t. And that’s the scary thing. Perfectly nice, normal, people use their phones while driving. It’s so, so, common.

Maybe you're right, but do many people do it whilst driving at 80mph (probably ~85 on her speedo?) whilst going through a red light in a 40mph limit?

You can't go 40mph over the speed limit without noticing.

That video is horrific

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

what always baffles me is why they set sentences to run along side each other. Why not 9 years plus 6 years = 15 years locked up?

Concurrent sentences are given when multiple offences arise from the same incident. Part of the reason for this is that someone could, in the eyes of the law, get a disproportionately lengthy sentence in prison if sentences were set to run consecutively.

When someone is sentenced for multiple offences committed at different times, they can be given jail terms to run consecutively, however the same disproportionately lengthy sentence guidelines still apply.

Of course that isn't to say that 15 years inside for this incident would seem to be disproportionately long to you or me, but I think the judges hands are tied under the current UK sentencing guidelines.

 

[dazzer6666]

Are women worse for this?

I’d say the vast majority of people I see using phones while driving are female.

Blokes in vans also.

That video above. The speed she was flying along at while dicking about with her mobile phone. Ludicrous.

As for her being a “****”.

She probably isn’t. And that’s the scary thing. Perfectly nice, normal, people use their phones while driving. It’s so, so, common.

From my time running - where you get to go past countless cars or get passed by them and can easily see the driver - I would agree 100%. Women (particularly younger women) and White Van Man easily the worst offenders. The other group that really piss me off are people in expensive cars who are too thick to activate Bluetooth handsfree.

 

[GT49er]

What's the problem? It's fine! Watch 'Police Interceptors' on day-time TV - they spend all their working life (or nearly) with one hand on the wheel and one hand on their phone/radio/communicating device. Same with Train Truckers - one hand for the steering wheel, one for communications devices, mobile phones or others. In full view of TV cameras too...............but no prosecutions.

Is there somewhere these people can apply to for exemption from the rules?

P.S. I do actually think people should not be allowed to use mobile phones when driving - but it should apply to everyone!

 

[Bombardier]

What's the problem? It's fine! Watch 'Police Interceptors' on day-time TV - they spend all their working life (or nearly) with one hand on the wheel and one hand on their phone/radio/communicating device. Same with Train Truckers - one hand for the steering wheel, one for communications devices, mobile phones or others. In full view of TV cameras too...............but no prosecutions.

Is there somewhere these people can apply to for exemption from the rules?

P.S. I do actually think people should not be allowed to use mobile phones when driving - but it should apply to everyone!

I believe the rozzers have exemptions for use of mobile or other device but are still rendered liable to the same said offences if they are involved in an accident etc.

 

[Gabbafella]

Agree with people above, the majority I see using phones are young women and van drivers.
I'd love to be paid to drive around all day pulling people for using phones and revoking licences.
There's absolutely no reason for me to ever pick my phone up while driving, it's connected to my car via Bluetooth, controls are either on the steering wheel or on a touchscreen.
That video is horrific, the speed alone is shocking but factor in the lack of attention due to the phone and of course it's an accident waiting to happen. She should've been sent down for longer.

 

[Notters]

Agree with people above, the majority I see using phones are young women and van drivers.
I'd love to be paid to drive around all day pulling people for using phones and revoking licences.
There's absolutely no reason for me to ever pick my phone up while driving, it's connected to my car via Bluetooth, controls are either on the steering wheel or on a touchscreen.
That video is horrific, the speed alone is shocking but factor in the lack of attention due to the phone and of course it's an accident waiting to happen. She should've been sent down for longer.

Worth noting that a) a lot of people don't have these facilities and b) using handsfree is just as dangerous as holding it.
I think they need to ban phoning altogether.

 

[Gabbafella]

Worth noting that a) a lot of people don't have these facilities and b) using handsfree is just as dangerous as holding it.
I think they need to ban phoning altogether.

My car doesn't have a touchscreen as standard, I've bought a third party screen, wired it up so I can have access to sat nav, music etc. if anyone calls me I decline the call, I never take a call when I'm driving as it's way too distracting, sometimes even sat nav can take your attention away from driving for too long so I try not to use it unless really necessary.

 

[jessiejames]

Do the police actually prosecute in these circumstances? They would have to be physically standing next to the car whilst you are on the phone with your engine running. A lot of new cars' engines turn off when stationary anyway

They dont need to, thats what Cycle Mikey does.